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#21
06-19-2012, 08:57 PM
 Dr T Non-Fan Member SOA AAA Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Just outside of Nowhere Posts: 99,061

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 Originally Posted by SamCook You really hire the candidate you end up liking better? To me the situation you describe is a result of a lack of interest from the candidate. I think this is extremely important you need the right attitude. And I have seen many candidates with bad attitudes crash and burn. It never came down to me liking the candidate.
Um, sounds like you didn't like the attitude of the candidate, hence the crash-and-burn.
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#22
06-19-2012, 08:57 PM
 annuitize Member SOA AAA Join Date: Apr 2010 Studying for CSP College: UConn Favorite beer: BLL Posts: 3,537

OP, you should just something up. Pick something completely unrelated to actuarial science so that you come off as well rounded. Does your school have some type of a freshmen mentor program. If so, then say you were part of that... Maybe you helped a new student figure his/her way around the campus, study techniques, time management, adjusting to dorm life, what to do at parties, etc, etc...
#23
06-19-2012, 09:53 PM
 SamCook Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,689

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 Originally Posted by Dr T Non-Fan Um, sounds like you didn't like the attitude of the candidate, hence the crash-and-burn. Please refine your post so that it is not self-contradictory. Thank you.
If the candidate is not interested it will affect their performance. Someone with a lot of interest is more likely to put more effort into their work and is more likely to try harder. So it is important to gauge the level of interest when doing interviews.

Level of interest is different then whether I like or dislike the candidate. So I am drawing a distinction between not liking someone and determining if they are interested in the profession. That is the distinction
#24
06-19-2012, 10:24 PM
 Annie Howe Member Non-Actuary Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 5,141

I don't know why inability to have a normal conversation about hobbies and inability to connect with the interviewer means lack of interest in the job.

I know a few people who are very formal and distant people, but are great professionally, very hard working, good communication skills (except for inability to connect) etc.

All things being equal, I find it easier to work with someone I like of course.
#25
06-19-2012, 10:43 PM
 SamCook Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,689

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 Originally Posted by emelnd I don't know why inability to have a normal conversation about hobbies and inability to connect with the interviewer means lack of interest in the job. I know a few people who are very formal and distant people, but are great professionally, very hard working, good communication skills (except for inability to connect) etc. All things being equal, I find it easier to work with someone I like of course.
Inability to connect does not mean lack of interest. Usually you can tell the level of interest just by talking to them for thirty minutes.

It's a general feeling you get

#26
06-19-2012, 10:59 PM
 Annie Howe Member Non-Actuary Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 5,141

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 Originally Posted by SamCook Inability to connect does not mean lack of interest. Usually you can tell the level of interest just by talking to them for thirty minutes. It's a general feeling you get Is English your first language?
Nope. Thank you for thinking it might be I guess :P
#27
06-19-2012, 11:04 PM
 Annie Howe Member Non-Actuary Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 5,141

@Samcook, I thought inability to connect translates to lack of interest, based on your response to NerdAlert.
#28
06-20-2012, 05:06 AM
 GargoyleWaiting Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Favorite beer: the closest one Posts: 7,374

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 Originally Posted by water I can tell that they can always see right through me whenever they ask me about extracurricular activities in college. Always at that point, everything comes apart.
they can "see right through you"?

Are you making stuff up to sound like a good candidate? If so, don't do that, find something true to tell them.
#29
06-20-2012, 05:29 AM
 jas66Kent Member SOA Join Date: May 2012 Location: London Favorite beer: Corona :) Posts: 22,626

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 Originally Posted by NerdAlert Extracurriculars help me out when I'm interviewing a candidate only because it gives me something to ask them about. I've interviewed a lot of candidates where the conversation goes something like, "I see you're interested in X. I also like X/I don't know much about X/I've heard Y about X, can you elaborate on..." "Yeah, I like X. I've been doing it for blah blah blah." And that's it. After two or three of these, I'm forced to resort to the uncomfortable, scripted interview questions and in my mind, this person isn't interesting enough for me to want to sit in a room with them for half an hour, let alone work with them for the next several years. The interview is over as far as I'm concerned. Having extracurriculars is nice, but having a likeable personality is better. I'll always back up the candidate I enjoyed talking with the most. At the interview stage, the candidate is already good enough on paper. Be memorable in a good way, come prepared with thoughtful questions, do research on the company and type of work, and carry on a normal conversation. And if a normal conversation doesn't come easily to you, practice.
#30
06-20-2012, 05:29 AM
 jas66Kent Member SOA Join Date: May 2012 Location: London Favorite beer: Corona :) Posts: 22,626

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 Originally Posted by joni308 ${(1\cup 2 \cup 3 \cup 4 \cup 5 \cup 6 )}^{C}=\empty$
lol