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Old 12-28-2016, 09:50 PM
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Based on publicly available government statistics, Asian Americans have the lowest chance of rising to management when compared with blacks, Hispanics and women in spite of having the highest educational attainment. When also considering gender in the evaluation of the Bamboo ceiling, Asian American women faced higher rates of promotion discrimination than Asian American men, and Asian American women faced a pay equity discrimination in comparison to payment with Asian American men
Amazing really considering how sjws completely ignore this group when talking about discrimination. They're mostly concerned with women and african americans.

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Many of these stereotypes and expectations have a basis in cultural misunderstandings. Some Asian Americans claim that they are raised with culture-specific values that affect perceptions of their workplace behaviour. For example, some report being taught from an early age to be self-effacing, reticent, respectful, and deferential towards authority.[2][29] These values do not translate well into the American workplace, where Asian Americans are sometimes perceived as aloof, arrogant, and inattentive.[2] As a result, Asian Americans are less likely to be seen as having qualities that appeal to American employers, such as leadership, charisma, creativity, and risk-taking, and are often passed over for promotions in spite of satisfactory job performance. Asian Americans are also less likely to aggressively network, self-promote, and speak up at work meetings with concern and ideas when compared to their coworkers.[2]

Others indicate that physical characteristics are a factor. Studies have shown that taller individuals tend to be promoted and earn more money than shorter individuals, and the average Asian American height is shorter than the national average. Some also report that Asian facial characteristics are unconsciously perceived as less expressive, less engaged, uninterested, and untrustworthy. These factors, combined with the common stereotypes and portrayals of Asian Americans as "nerds" and "geeks", with high intelligence as well as high math and or science aptitude(s), creates an image of Asian males in particular as "[s]hort, not good-looking, socially inept, sexually null".[29] Furthermore, even Asian Americans born and or raised in the United States are sometimes assumed to be less English-proficient on the basis of their appearance as "perpetual foreigners".

Another factor may be an existing lack of connections and Asian Americans role models in upper management and in politics. Until relatively recently with the Civil Rights Movement, a large number of individuals of Asian descent had few political and social rights, or were denied rights of citizenship by naturalisation. While many Asian Americans are active in political life and government positions today, their representation is still disproportionately small, and there remain unofficial barriers to political access.[30]

A survey that was taken revealed that while 83% of Asian Americans felt loyal to their jobs, but only 49% felt as though they belonged in the American workforce.[31] According to researchers that study diversity and talent management said that 25% or 1 out of 4 Asians said "they had felt workplace discrimination because of their ethnicity."[32] Asian American men, more than any other demographic, said they felt stalled in their careers and were more likely to quit their current jobs to search for advancement elsewhere[32] and revealed in another survey done by researchers that 66% of Asian American men and between 4450% of Asian American women said they felt their careers had stalled showing that not only do Asians face large amounts of widespread workplace discrimination in general, but that Asian American men are discriminated against more by a wide margin revealing a great gender disparity.


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Bamboo is incredibly strong. I feel bad for y'all.
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Well, here comes that thread again. I'll chime in.
Asians are the convenient punching bags. The right use Asian success stories to show that hard work pays off to counter the left's narrative of racism holding minorities back. The left support affirmative action that really only benefits black and hispanic students at the EXPENSE of Asian students. Ivy league universities like Harvard has a clear racist admission policy against Asian students: https://youtu.be/GDbSmSIV1lc
Asians have no political friends in America right now.
But Asians could just simply be whining about their own shortcomings. All they have to do is improve themselves, and that ceiling would be shattered, right ?

Maybe we could ask people who are both "American" and Asian to share their stories. There are many of them, they are called hapas (half asian half white). They are a part of both worlds (whether they like it or not), so they really know whether it's discrimination or whiny Asians that create the bamboo ceiling. This is one of them: https://youtu.be/ZBKqW12TYUk?list=PL...fL5sqUeLSrYx8b
This guy has a lot of other videos. He is half Asian half white, now imagine how much "better" it is for full Asians.

Is it socially acceptable for Asians to defend themselves ?
http://player.ooyala.com/iframe.html...ubmit%3DSearch

Open season on Asians ?
http://reappropriate.co/2014/11/sund...-american-men/

There are many other contributing factors, which might be brought up later.
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I think since we have so many Chinese actuaries on the forum, we should have a new emoticon. We have usa , canada , but no china :china:

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Does this create a reasonable parallel compared to [there not actually being a 20+% wage gap between men and women] overall?
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I think since we have so many Chinese actuaries on the forum, we should have a new emoticon. We have usa , canada , but no china :china:

in my house we say ting tong for reasons that have nothings to do with bamboo
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