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Old 11-16-2018, 01:00 PM
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I vaguely remember seeing that at the time. And I thought it wasn't a bad idea. But it never went anywhere.

If the change were made, how would it affect dues for members of the organizations that joined it? Would there be some potential cost savings to people in SOA/CAS who now often pay AAA dues as well?
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I have a copy of the final Governance Task Force for anyone who may be interested. It has an interesting report from the silly consultant retained, apparently, to "help" us understand the situation who contributed as follows:

"He indicated to us that contested elections are not considered “best practices” in association governance today. This is because, whenever there is a popular election, one candidate will become “the winner”, and all the other candidates will become “losers”. The “losers” will be discouraged from continuing their prior level of participation. In addition, the election can be unnecessarily polarizing to the membership and the leadership. Popular elections typically result in the most popular candidates winning-- not necessarily the most qualified. The Academy is then deprived of the opportunity to nurture talent and prepare future leaders from among those losing an election."


I cannot believe we paid that guy.
I've done some sleuthing and I think I was able to find a picture of that consultant:



In all seriousness though, thank you for that background information. Interesting to see that there have been concerns stretching back at least a decade over the election structure itself and also the structure of the organization as a whole. I'm very happy to see that a set of leaders within the actuarial profession have at least tried to look out for the general public like myself who isn't really involved in anything other than my everyday work.
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I don't remember getting this but found it in my electronic files. It is a letter from Academy Board members suggesting changes in the Academy structure for reasons they (and I) highlight.



This letter was actually signed by the four names at the bottom.

I don't know what the outcome of this was but I did serve on the Governance Committee (2010) mentioned and don't recall it resulting in any substantive governance changes actually being made.

You can see, however, that we continue to question the same practices today as we did then regarding elections and a member based organization. In 2009 some Academy Board members were proposing an even more extreme change in Academy structure.

I have a copy of the final Governance Task Force for anyone who may be interested. It has an interesting report from the silly consultant retained, apparently, to "help" us understand the situation who contributed as follows:




I cannot believe we paid that guy.
Why not? He seems to have done his job perfectly: legitimizing the answer the clients told him they wanted to hear.

Governance task force: Please help us understand governance best practices. [whispering]Oh, and by the way, make sure that you tell us that having an unaccountable cabal is best for everyone.[/whisper]

Consultant: Good news everyone! An unaccountable cabal is the best governance practice for your industry. Much better than contested elections. Surprisingly, not only is the unaccountable cabal better for the cabal, it's even better for the losers, because it doesn't draw so much attention to the fact that they aren't winners!
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Why not? He seems to have done his job perfectly: legitimizing the answer the clients told him they wanted to hear.

Governance task force: Please help us understand governance best practices. [whispering]Oh, and by the way, make sure that you tell us that having an unaccountable cabal is best for everyone.[/whisper]

Consultant: Good news everyone! An unaccountable cabal is the best governance practice for your industry. Much better than contested elections. Surprisingly, not only is the unaccountable cabal better for the cabal, it's even better for the losers, because it doesn't draw so much attention to the fact that they aren't winners!
You have a good point. I agree with you. I was there and heard him make that point. When I realized that many other Governance Committee members actually believed it I thought I must be on the wrong planet.

The Governance Committee was, by the way, not a continuing committee. It was created specifically to address the governance issues of the day. Once it made its final report it was discharged.
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I cannot believe we paid that guy.
It sounds like that guys recommendations were boiler plate for associations. I think that might make some sense for an industry association with volunteer members that they try to recruit (ie ones whose members do not become qualified due to some professionally attained status/qualification), but not so much for professional membership associations like the SOA or AAA.
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