WSOP 2012

[hotkarl]

Originally Posted by Lane Meyers

It's just that comparing accomplishments of someone playing today to one of the "old timers" based on career WSOP earnings is meaningless based on how the payouts have changed over the years.

Did you really think I was saying compare Russell's and Doyle's resumes ? Just like I wouldn't expect Rory McIlroy's resume to hold a candle to Jack Nicklaus', I wouldn't want to compare them. The fact is that poker IS different today, yet many old timers are on the top 100 WSOP money list, unlike golf.

Old timers didn't have to negotiate 6,000 player fields. One of Doyle's bracelets, as an example, came with a $4,500 first place prize on a $600 buy in, with 15 entrants. Bracelets/Final Tables isn't a fair measure either.

Golf is a good example of where this type of comparison (Majors/wins) does make sense, since the tournaments over time have gotten higher payouts simply due to sponsorship. It isn't any harder for Rory McIlroy to win the Masters than it was for Jack to win it 30 years ago. It is FAR harder to make a final table, especially at the main event, than it was even 20 years ago. Making Day 6 is harder at ME now than winning a bracelet was when Doyle did it. Making the FT (6600/9 = 733) is fairly equal to Doyle's back to back main events (22*34=748)

[wolferine]

Originally Posted by hotkarl

Making Day 6 is harder at ME now than winning a bracelet was when Doyle did it. Making the FT (6600/9 = 733) is fairly equal to Doyle's back to back main events (22*34=748)

This logic only applies if you assume that poker is a game of pure luck and not skill.

I am just pointing that out to you because that is the assumption you have to make for your statement to make sense.

If Doyle was playing with the top 30 players in the world, and if poker is a game of skill, then his winning was just as hard as Russ playing against the top 6000 in the world and being the 4th best player in the world.

Is it harder for Usain Bolt to win a track meet at the Olympics with 200 of the fastest from various countries than it is to win a world championship if only the top 20 in the world are invited? If he is the best in the world he will win no matter if you invite the top 6000 or the top 30. Now if you are saying it is a great accomplishment to hold a winning lottery ticket based purely on chance then that is another matter which you seem to be doing basing probability based on number of entries and a random drawing.

[wolferine]

Originally Posted by hotkarl

Did you really think I was saying compare Russell's and Doyle's resumes ?

Yes, and the rest of your post does a lame attempt to do just that.

[Triweasel]

had a great time watching monday night. the atmosphere was just amazing in the theater. so much energy for such a long event.

congrats russ, you earned every penny.

[Lane Meyers]

Originally Posted by hotkarl

Did you really think I was saying compare Russell's and Doyle's resumes ?

If you re-read your post, it does appear to imply that. It doesn't seem I'm the only one who read it that way.

I agree that Russ had a much longer road to the final table than Doyle ever had, and I should have discussed that in my post as well.