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Old 09-24-2018, 05:41 PM
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That is pretty much the best way to go about it because you can learn so much more about a candidate during a 4-month internship compared to an 1-hour interview.
and if you botch an EL hire, thats ~75k of first year expense. I think we book about 10k for an intern.
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and if you botch an EL hire, thats ~75k of first year expense. I think we book about 10k for an intern.
I think both of those numbers are a little low*, but the proportion is probably about right.


*You've got salary, ER FICA, 401k contribution, other benefits, and overhead to think about.
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I think both of those numbers are a little low*, but the proportion is probably about right.


*You've got salary, ER FICA, 401k contribution, other benefits, and overhead to think about.
values were rough estimates. I knew what I was getting into when i laid them out there . Looks like you got the point (lopsided ratio).

I could prob put up a fight on that 75k under a certain set of assumptions... but lets not do that.
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No, no, please quibble over the exact numbers.
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Although it was mentioned a couple times in the OP, the resume itself was glossed over. Make sure it's a good one. There is no one perfect format, but there are infinitely many craptastic ones. And that can make or break you in a split second (regardless of content or your quality as a candidate) if yours ends up in a stack like twig's below. It needs to be clear, concise, readable (limit the number of font/bold/size/bullet variations), and it needs to fit on one page (<= somewhat controversial opinion, but unless you have an absolute ton of relevant experience/exams, there is no reason it should bleed on to page 2). Get someone to review it. In fact, I believe there's a section on this forum where people do that for free out of the goodness of their hearts.

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We get so many resumes that we divide them into batches based on the order in which they were received. We look through the first X resumes received and decide which of those candidates we want to interview. If there aren't enough good candidates in the first batch then we look at resumes X+1 to 2X. By then we've certainly found enough candidates. We typically receive 8X-20X resumes. If you're not in the first 2X resumes there's a 0% chance that we even glanced at yours, and if you're not in the first X resumes, there's only a small chance that we glanced at it.

This sounds really harsh... and it is. But we simply lack the resources to go through the quantity of resumes that we receive and we have to do *something* to make it more manageable.

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All of the candidates I interviewed last week had 2+ page resumes

I blame their recruiting firm, though.
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All of the candidates I interviewed last week had 2+ page resumes

I blame their recruiting firm, though.
So you are saying the 2+ pg resume candidates still got interviews
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So you are saying the 2+ pg resume candidates still got interviews
its vacuously true. he didn't interview anyone last week to begin with!
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So you are saying the 2+ pg resume candidates still got interviews
Yeah. These were for experienced positions, but if you can avoid it, then don't do it. The recruiting firm did a pretty bad job of preparing the resumes.
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Meh. Just remember that anything you put on page 2 might not be read at all. So, put the important stuff on Page 1.

Also, leave something for the interview, people!!! Talking about something you're passionate about will be better when spoken by your tone than by the resume-reader's inner-mind tone. You have no control over that tone, but you do have control over your own.
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