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Old 04-03-2018, 11:01 AM
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My question is what are the odds of getting an EL position without getting a degree in a related major. I personally think it would be more useful to take a couple courses in SAS or SQL and focus on passing tests, but I don't know if that's how employers see it.
Your background in pharmacy and sales might make you attractive to a health consulting firm (which happens to be the area I'm in), so you might want to especially target that.

Your biggest issue is probably the number of exams. Pass them as quickly as you can -- you'll have more luck getting a job with two than one, and you'll have more luck getting a job with three than two. I was also a career changer, and I finally got a job offer right after passing my third exam.

The three exams still jointly taken by the SOA and CAS are P, FM, and MFE, so you probably don't want to take anything beyond that prior to getting an actuarial position (unless you definitely plan to go down the health route).
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Thanks so much! That is very helpful information. I am going to hold off on going to grad school for now. Right now I am focusing on getting my applied statistics VEE before the July 1st deadline to avoid the SRM exam. After that, I am debating if it would be worth it to focus on becoming proficient in VBA or SQL for a month or two, so that way I can post that on my resume while I continue to take tests and apply. From poking around on here it seem as though having some programming skills gives an edge, and even if I were to get hired I don't know if I would want to start from scratch.
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Old 04-05-2018, 11:08 PM
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Thanks for the input. In my case, I am pretty "set on actuarial" because I have passed two exams and my qualifications for most other professional jobs are weaker. Most EL jobs at companies that employ actuaries would be an improvement over my current job, even if they are not stepping stones.

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I feel like a broken record for saying this so many times on this forum, but I'll give it a shot again...

If you're a career changer, why are you so set on actuarial? If you're having trouble getting an actuarial job, it can't hurt to look at other quantitative/finance professions. Actuary is a good job, but there are lots of good jobs out there.

ETA: I say this because I'm of the opinion that taking one EL job for the sole purpose of a stepping stone into another EL job should be pretty low on your options list.
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Your background in pharmacy and sales might make you attractive to a health consulting firm (which happens to be the area I'm in), so you might want to especially target that.

Your biggest issue is probably the number of exams. Pass them as quickly as you can -- you'll have more luck getting a job with two than one, and you'll have more luck getting a job with three than two. I was also a career changer, and I finally got a job offer right after passing my third exam.

The three exams still jointly taken by the SOA and CAS are P, FM, and MFE, so you probably don't want to take anything beyond that prior to getting an actuarial position (unless you definitely plan to go down the health route).
Mred,

What year did you get your first actuarial position?
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Old 04-08-2019, 09:34 AM
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What year did you get your first actuarial position?
2013.
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Old 04-08-2019, 09:48 AM
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Odds: 19:1

That is my guess. you'll need 54 other guesses, determine the average and the standard error, then decide for yourself. Someone here might have a better number of guesses than my 54.

In the meantime, you should start applying. You have one exam passed. That might be enough. You'll face a lot of competition that might look better than you on paper, but a Masters Degree in two or three years won't help you get a job today.
My sig line says most of what you need, and this whole thread will help as well.


Focus on Exams. If you don't have much experience in programming, work on any language (R or Python might be good starting points).

SQL is easy enough to learn OTJ, and would work better when doing actual work.

SAS isn't used ubiquitously and can also be easily acquired if needed.


@DTNF: I'm not sure if you're aware, but I only see the following in your sig line:
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@DTNF: I'm not sure if you're aware, but I only see the following in your sig line:
"Facebook is a toilet." -- LWTwJO
Apparently in DTNF's opinion that's most of what (s)he needs.

I'd mostly agree.






Or, it's possible he's changed his sig line in the last year.
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Apparently in DTNF's opinion that's most of what (s)he needs.

I'd mostly agree.






Or, it's possible he's changed his sig line in the last year.
lol

I'm guessing that he did change it (or something was tweaked in sig lines by Tom), but forgot about changing it since you don't see your sig line when typing out posts.
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Don't think he forgot. Current quote about fb is from the last year. Prior to that (like when he made that post), he had like 6-8 lines of his "standard advice", things like

Pass some exams and get back to us
To get hired, you need to not only meet the requirements, you need to be the best choice.
You're unlikely to get an offer if you don't apply



Some of those may be TM'd and DTNF can just let me know what I owe him. Pretty sure it all came from this thread, so now that he's changed his sig line, you can just read the thread.
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No, you were merely referencing them and not actually giving the sage advice.

Nice that you've remembered them, though. Eerily nice.

I did save them somewhere, so if the one-stop advice shop is needed again, I can always edit my sig line.

My current one seems a lot more important given the state of the world.

Finally: Ah, the old "bump an old thread" trick. Second time someone has fallen for that this month!
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