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Old 01-10-2019, 10:23 AM
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I find corporate titles super confusing across different companies. I recently learned at Pru Director & Actuary and Director, Actuary are two levels. Sometimes I see VP being a higher level than Director, and sometimes it's the other way around.

When we are looking for jobs post FSA qualification, how do we find out what the corporate hierarchy really looks like at a certain company and how they compare with the other companies?


Do you mind sharing how the titles are structured at your company?
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:54 AM
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I find corporate titles super confusing across different companies. I recently learned at Pru Director & Actuary and Director, Actuary are two levels. Sometimes I see VP being a higher level than Director, and sometimes it's the other way around.

When we are looking for jobs post FSA qualification, how do we find out what the corporate hierarchy really looks like at a certain company and how they compare with the other companies?


Do you mind sharing how the titles are structured at your company?
Ask the people at the company when you apply.

Look up people at the company on linkedin and see how many years of experience they have and what jobs they've had in the past.
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:47 AM
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If they're different at every company, how would telling you the structure of my company (without telling you the name of my company) help you?

Most places I've worked are:
Analysts
Associates
Managers (mostly flattened out)
Directors
VP's of unusual size
Chief Actuary
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If they're different at every company, how would telling you the structure of my company (without telling you the name of my company) help you?

Most places I've worked are:
Analysts
Associates
Managers (mostly flattened out)
Directors
VP's of unusual size
Chief Actuary
This is a pretty common structure. Other titles you'll see:
Actuary, Associate Actuary, Sr. Analyst

Some companies have a defined 'manager' track that overlaps with indiv contributor roles to some extent. Others have a clear break between IC and MGT.
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VP's of unusual size
I don't think they exist.

Agree with the rest of your post.


OP, what are you trying to accomplish? If you're trying to determine if a position is within your range in terms of responsibilities or experience, salary is a more accurate measure - if you look at a position and say "That would be worth my time, and I'd be worth that salary" then it's a decent fit. The titles are too different to be useful IME.
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Old 01-10-2019, 12:54 PM
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OP probably wants to know which actuaries to contact with attached résumés.
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...Most places I've worked are:
Analysts
Associates
Managers (mostly flattened out)
Directors
VP's of unusual size
Chief Actuary
But in IB (and many finance companies that have grown out of IB) this might be more common:
Analysts
Associates
VPs
Directors
Managing Directors

Agree with the OP that it is confusing, so I rarely read anything much into titles. I've even pointed out to some people, who were very keen to put titles in to pitch documents, that the recipients may interpret them completely differently, and assume that the more junior person is actually the boss!
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Take to the IB Outpost!!
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Old 01-10-2019, 02:34 PM
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But in IB (and many finance companies that have grown out of IB) this might be more common:
Analysts
Associates
VPs
Directors
Managing Directors

Agree with the OP that it is confusing, so I rarely read anything much into titles. I've even pointed out to some people, who were very keen to put titles in to pitch documents, that the recipients may interpret them completely differently, and assume that the more junior person is actually the boss!
IB? That's so early-21-st century. These days, our profession-envy is targeted to data scientists.
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