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View Poll Results: Thoughts on the merger
CAS member - yea 7 3.70%
CAS member - meh 7 3.70%
CAS member - nay 84 44.44%
SOA member - yea 29 15.34%
SOA member - meh 15 7.94%
SOA member - nay 8 4.23%
P&C Student - yea 2 1.06%
P&C Student - meh 1 0.53%
P&C Student - nay 23 12.17%
Life/Health/Pension Student - yea 8 4.23%
Life/Health/Pension Student - meh 1 0.53%
Life/Health/Pension Student - nay 0 0%
Other - yea 2 1.06%
Other - meh 1 0.53%
Other - nay 1 0.53%
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Old 10-12-2018, 02:02 PM
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A couple years later the SoA did restore the CAS's legal rights to the question bank, after it was too late to make any difference.
Interesting... do you recall the letter I mentioned? I kinda remember someone saying that if the CAS felt like it, they could simply publish the entire question bank along with the answers and force the SOA to start over from scratch. But such a move would not help the CAS in any way, so they took the high road and didn't.
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Old 10-12-2018, 02:03 PM
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Not specifically, but I do recall being told that we had regained access to the question bank.
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Old 10-12-2018, 02:35 PM
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Speaking as a newly retired SOA member with too much time on my hands, I thought I would chime in here, since most of the postings are from CAS members.

Considering just the poll results, since I did not watch the webcast, it occurs to me that we have as much polarization within the actuarial community on this issue as the US population has on the Kavanaugh confirmation.
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Old 10-12-2018, 02:50 PM
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So, basically, the SoA is saying "we refuse to cooperate at all unless you submit to assimilation"? That hardly feels like they are operating in good faith.
If the discussion were strictly "we want to collaborate on joint exams again" / "we won't do it unless you assimilate", I would question the CAS board's sanity for pursuing this.

However, my sense is that the boards have other reasons for justifying the merger. There are likely disagreements on a few points...and this particular point just unfortunately has more than its fair share of bad history associated with it.

The SOA sticking on that point makes it harder for me to trust that CAS members won't get screwed in a merger. However, I don't think their sticking to that point is necessarily "bad faith" as much as "lack of awareness of just how badly they pissed off CAS members."

Collaborate first, merge later.
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