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View Poll Results: Who is an actuary?
College student taking AS courses 9 2.75%
Actuarial student pre ASA 55 16.82%
ASA taking exams 217 66.36%
Career ASA 218 66.67%
FSA 229 70.03%
FSA with work experience met by having MAAA 218 66.67%
anyone doing actuarial work 67 20.49%
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Old 07-03-2015, 09:13 PM
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If someone outside of the profession asks me what I do for a living I say I'm an actuary. But internally I make a distinction between an actuarial student and a credentialed actuary. If someone else in the profession said they're an actuary I would assume they mean they're credentialed.
internally nobody asks me. what do you mean by internally? within my company? if they do that, they ask me what department i'm in, not what i do for a living.
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i think "actuary" is clearer than my title which starts with a variation of actuary anyway. why the **** would i say my title? my title sounds idiotic to a random person.
How does "Actuarial _____" sound any more or less idiotic than "actuary?"
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How does "Actuarial _____" sound any more or less idiotic than "actuary?"
rando - what do you do for a living?
ao fan - i'm an actuarial awesome superhero of awesomeness.

sounds kinda dumb. i'll just say i'm an "actuary".
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so, a credentialled actuary can say "actuary" instead of their title of super senior vice president of awesome actuarialdom? but i can't?
They would probably prefer to use "super senior vice president of awesome actuarialdom."
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rando - "what do you do for a living?"
ao fan - "i'm an actuary"
rando - "Oh cool - when did you get your ASA/FSA or ACAS/FCAS?"
ao fan - "uh...."
rando - "I see....you just lost this deal...I'm only interested in ACTUARIES. Reported to the ABCD"

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I think you are losing the argument if you need to rely on what people in accounting or sales and marketing think
Only actuaries would make something so complicated and an argument; then find it odd that actuaries have the reputation for being socially inept.

I'd take working with sales and marketing any day of the week at my current pay. They usually like to drink, go out, socialize, and are attractive. Ever hang out with some pharmaceutical sales reps? Ever have a bad time while hanging out with them?
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rando - "what do you do for a living?"
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rando - "Oh cool - when did you get your ASA/FSA or ACAS/FCAS?"
ao fan - "uh...."
rando - "I see....you just lost this deal...I'm only interested in ACTUARIES. Reported to the ABCD"
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As many exams as me or more. Obviously.
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internally nobody asks me. what do you mean by internally? within my company? if they do that, they ask me what department i'm in, not what i do for a living.
I mean internal to my though process. I make a distinction between an actuary and a pre-ASA actuarial student. One has earned the credential and one hasn't. The pre-ASA actuarial student may be doing actuarial work but until they earn the credential I don't consider them an actuary.

Once again though I can see how it's simpler for a pre-ASA student speaking to someone who doesn't understand the career path and credentialing process to say they're an actuary.
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Actually very soon, nurse practitioners are going to be required to get their doctorate in nursing, so the new grads will be "doctors".

Not to get into the back and forth and nit pick about words, which we both did.

What do the rest of the people in your company call the people in the actuarial department that are not credentialed? I bet they call them actuaries. I bet some high level person says that the actuaries came up with X reserves. I bet some non-credentialed people worked on that work. So when you say everyone you've worked with disagrees.........
Touche. I did edit that post to something even more directly comparable, but, as I said, I will ask my family because I legitimately don't know the answer.

As far as people outside actuarial, odds are they don't care. But you're right; they'd likely say something either came from "the actuaries" or from "actuarial." Maybe from the "actuary department."

In the end, I can only speak for myself, and I opt not to call people who aren't credentialed actuaries. That includes a coworker who is as knowledgeable and good at actuarial work as anyone I know, and whom I respect a great deal. He doesn't give a crap one way or the other.
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