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Old 10-20-2011, 08:02 PM
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And really, if there's any proposal for merger, it should be coming from the CAS side.

Well, it should be mutual, but if CASers had nothing to gain, they wouldn't do it. Which is why I don't see it happening (because I don't see how it could happen that the CASers would come out wildly ahead and therefore be for it)
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I can imagine how a merger can be good for the CAS. It's like suggesting that VT, ME, and NH should merge with MA because having 4 states for northern New England is too many.
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The main reasons to merge are a reduced cost structure (there is currently a large duplication of efforts, with the SOA, CAS, etc. each having their own staff) and more focused, common goals.

The first reason is, in my opinion, obviously great, and I don't see why anyone wouldn't like it. Unless you like paying for bloated, unnecessary staff positions I guess. The second reason .... . I'm sure people in favor would say each organization would still have the same say they have now, but whether that would actually be true is hard to say.

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The main reasons to merge are a reduced cost structure (there is currently a large duplication of efforts, with the SOA, CAS, etc. each having their own staff) and more focused, common goals.

The first reason is, in my opinion, obviously great, and I don't see why anyone wouldn't like it. Unless you like paying for bloated, unnecessary staff positions I guess. The second reason .... . I'm sure people in favor would say each organization would still have the same say they have now, but whether that would actually be true is hard to say.

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I suspect the opposite would happen. As the CAS has grown, it has vastly increased its cost structure. It wasn't all that long ago that its paid staff was basically one secretary and its office space was a room borrowed from the NCCI in NYC. I'm pretty sure the staffing needs have at least kept pace with the number of members since I've been paying attention. My sense (which could be wrong) is that the larger SoA has a higher staff-to-member ratio. So I bet we'd be paying more overhead if we merged.

The CAS is small enough compared to the SoA that I doubt the SoA member would notice a difference in overhead either way.
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My sense (which could be wrong) is that the larger SoA has a higher staff-to-member ratio.
SOA: 22,604 / 107 = 211 members per staff

CAS: 5,417 / 25 = 217 members per staff
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SOA: 22,604 / 107 = 211 members per staff

CAS: 5,417 / 25 = 217 members per staff
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Did you forget the red font?

If there's even one name missing from the CAS staff listing on their website, then 5,417 / 26 = 208.

I'd consider the staff/member ratio a non-issue given those numbers.
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Well, it should be mutual, but if CASers had nothing to gain, they wouldn't do it. Which is why I don't see it happening (because I don't see how it could happen that the CASers would come out wildly ahead and therefore be for it)
I just think it's somewhat rude for the SOA President to be springing it on CAS like that.
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Did you forget the red font?

If there's even one name missing from the CAS staff listing on their website, then 5,417 / 26 = 208.

I'd consider the staff/member ratio a non-issue given those numbers.
They're pretty indistinguishable.
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