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Act Sci schools don't teach code design, it's up to management to ingrain proper code practices via reviews. If your company doesn't have it, there's an opportunity for you to take the lead (if you're tech inclined and can convince your boss of the value). Otherwise untrained ELs just work to get the job done, which is what they came up doing.
At every company I've worked at, I tried to push for good coding practice and received significant pushback. It was referred to as each of the following:
1) "excessive"
2) "micro-managing"
3) "unnecessary"

That was about implementing standards for commenting, indentation, descriptive variable names, and how to use ANDs or commas when listing fields or other parameters. Now I just teach the value of standards to the new people I get and hope it takes hold. Trying to get "experienced" people on board with that stuff was quite the struggle.
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At every company I've worked at, I tried to push for good coding practice and received significant pushback. It was referred to as each of the following:
1) "excessive"
2) "micro-managing"
3) "unnecessary"

That was about implementing standards for commenting, indentation, descriptive variable names, and how to use ANDs or commas when listing fields or other parameters. Now I just teach the value of standards to the new people I get and hope it takes hold. Trying to get "experienced" people on board with that stuff was quite the struggle.
Funny that they were calling YOU the micro-manager when upper management was the one dictating to you what best practices can and can't be taught to the peons.
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Meh, in my short time so far in this industry, I've given up on trying to implement new ideas.
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I might as well say...

There was one time where I was hired to teach a certain language to the staff and their managers. I received a bunch of fear that I might teach too much to the staff from the managers, and thus, to justify my actions, I gave them problems that were replications and actual problems of what I had done on the job.

The problems were still too difficult for them.

Since then, I have lost all hope in trying to implement anything new in a job.
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I might as well say...

There was one time where I was hired to teach a certain language to the staff and their managers. I received a bunch of fear that I might teach too much to the staff from the managers, and thus, to justify my actions, I gave them problems that were replications and actual problems of what I had done on the job.

The problems were still too difficult for them.

Since then, I have lost all hope in trying to implement anything new in a job.
there there grasshopper

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I might as well say...

There was one time where I was hired to teach a certain language to the staff and their managers. I received a bunch of fear that I might teach too much to the staff from the managers, and thus, to justify my actions, I gave them problems that were replications and actual problems of what I had done on the job.

The problems were still too difficult for them.

Since then, I have lost all hope in trying to implement anything new in a job.
Not a straight shooter. Upper management not written anywhere on you.

But seriously, this is also why I want to avoid being the tech guy in the world of actuaries. I think it would take too much salesmanship to push anything through techno-illiterate management.

Maybe liken the value of good coding practices to the value of insurance or risk management? That's basically what it is.
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Not a straight shooter. Upper management not written anywhere on you.

But seriously, this is also why I want to avoid being the tech guy in the world of actuaries. I think it would take too much salesmanship to push anything through techno-illiterate management.

Maybe liken the value of good coding practices to the value of insurance or risk management? That's basically what it is.
Every insurance company nowadays wants a brand-spanking new analytics team/Big Data/Data Science or whatever you want to call it. When you become that techno-illiterate manager, how are you going to make sense of what your army of PhD drones tell you, what if it's all over your head?
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