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Old 06-05-2018, 04:06 PM
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Default Refusing to give recommendation to stellar interns?

During my last internship, a fellow intern was seeking full time opportunities upon completion of the internship. He was a real smart guy... very charismatic, funny, mature, and got along with everyone he met.

8 weeks into his 12 week internship, he asked his manager if he could use her as a reference and she said "im not allowed to recommend you because you haven't finished the internship yet". that was kinda bogus cause we all knew he was the best intern and he got a return offer the next day from the company... seems like the company just didn't want to lose him.

Is this common practice? Is it ethical? What does the interviewing company make of this situation.... would they just assume that the candidate isn't a good coworker if his/her manager wont recommend him/her?
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Are you saying he wanted his manager at Company A to give him a recommendation for Company B?
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I heard from a manager once that they are allowed to confirm the dates that somebody worked at the company. That's the policy. It makes sense in one way because if you give a great recommendation or a neutral response, then neutral is negative etc.
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Are you saying he wanted his manager at Company A to give him a recommendation for Company B?
yes... company B asked for references.
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The policy of most companies (every one that I have heard of) is to only give things like dates of employment, title, and whether or not the person is eligible to be rehired. As a manager at a couple of companies I was told to not give references for fear of lawsuits.
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Very common practice but not for the reason stated - at many companies it's a strict HR policy to not give any references. I suspect the reason saying that he wasn't done yet is kind of bogus, imo. But it could be policy, who knows. Check your policy. RTFM.
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if nothing else this was an awesome power play to gain an offer only 1/2 way through an internship.
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The policy of most companies (every one that I have heard of) is to only give things like dates of employment, title, and whether or not the person is eligible to be rehired. As a manager at a couple of companies I was told to not give references for fear of lawsuits.
This. Lawsuit thing comes up frequently apparently.
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Because of this, it's pretty common not to get a recommendation from the current employer. The interviewing company is unlikely to be concerned by that.
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Why even bother asking for them?
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