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Old 02-05-2018, 09:32 AM
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Default Recruiter thinks she can get me a consultant job

I also have only got P so far and FM coming up in two weeks.

She mentioned working 11 hour days (at least in my first year) 9am to 8pm, because I have to learn to do the job. This leaves very little time for exam studies.

It seems to me that the only way to really get ahead as an actuary is to pass exams. This is a bit cruel, with such a schedule. I can't see myself getting past more than 1 a year with that amount of work.

I was thinking of keeping my current job (school teacher) for another year or two and using my (comparatively massive) amount of free time to smash out 5 to 7 more exams before transferring jobs.

She recommended not putting off the career change any longer (I'm 30).
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Old 02-05-2018, 09:47 AM
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I also have only got P so far and FM coming up in two weeks.

She mentioned working 11 hour days (at least in my first year) 9am to 8pm, because I have to learn to do the job. This leaves very little time for exam studies.
11 hours/day "for at least the first year" sounds brutal ... and clueless about how to accomplish high performance.
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:07 AM
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It is always in the recruiter's interest to have people change jobs. Whether it's to the OP's advantage is not so clear. However, I suggest reading the threads about SATURATED and NOT SATURATED. As a career changer, it's going to be hard to get a foot in the door these days. If the OP still thinks a career change is a great idea, it still doesn't look to me like this "opportunity" is vey enticing.

PS - OP, use thread tools to move this to Careers.
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:09 AM
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:14 AM
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It is always in the recruiter's interest to have people change jobs. Whether it's to the OP's advantage is not so clear. However, I suggest reading the threads about SATURATED and NOT SATURATED. As a career changer, it's going to be hard to get a foot in the door these days. If the OP still thinks a career change is a great idea, it still doesn't look to me like this "opportunity" is vey enticing.

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I'd certainly have a healthy amount of cynicism whenever any person being paid on commission stresses how important it is that you act now.
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:16 AM
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11 hours/day "for at least the first year" sounds brutal ... and clueless about how to accomplish high performance.
I was averaging about 55 hours a week about 3-4 years in. Never really averaged more than that, although I did have weeks where I worked 80, usually in early January. This was pension consulting.

First year was probably more like 45 hours/week average. Second year maybe 50.

I was definitely overworked.

These hours include study time, however. Which was difficult to take, and almost never taken when I planned it to be.

Note that I was a pretty slow exam passer, although I had better success than most of my colleagues at the time. Failing exams is part of consulting, imo. YMMV.
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I also have only got P so far and FM coming up in two weeks.

She mentioned working 11 hour days (at least in my first year) 9am to 8pm, because I have to learn to do the job. This leaves very little time for exam studies.

It seems to me that the only way to really get ahead as an actuary is to pass exams. This is a bit cruel, with such a schedule. I can't see myself getting past more than 1 a year with that amount of work.

I was thinking of keeping my current job (school teacher) for another year or two and using my (comparatively massive) amount of free time to smash out 5 to 7 more exams before transferring jobs.

She recommended not putting off the career change any longer (I'm 30).
Don't decide on whether you want a job or not until AFTER you've done the interview (unless it is truly appalling up front).
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I also have only got P so far and FM coming up in two weeks.

She mentioned working 11 hour days (at least in my first year) 9am to 8pm, because I have to learn to do the job. This leaves very little time for exam studies.

It seems to me that the only way to really get ahead as an actuary is to pass exams. This is a bit cruel, with such a schedule. I can't see myself getting past more than 1 a year with that amount of work.

I was thinking of keeping my current job (school teacher) for another year or two and using my (comparatively massive) amount of free time to smash out 5 to 7 more exams before transferring jobs.

She recommended not putting off the career change any longer (I'm 30).
Recruiters rarely place entry-level applicants, but when they do, they tend to work for companies that either have a really hard time finding applicants (way out in the boonies), or those that nobody wants to work for.

So, they may be telling the truth about the hours. However, regardless of whether they are telling the truth about the job, remember that the recruiter only gets paid if they place someone in it. So, they'll say all sorts of things to get you to apply to it.

I think the recruiter is trying to take advantage of your relative lack of choice and experience as an EL candidate. No, I don't think you need to settle for an 11-hour-a-day job. There are plenty of other jobs out there that aren't like that, and I don't think you need to settle for this job.
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:39 AM
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So many comments about how the recruiter is only concerned with getting a placement, yet the recruiter is explicitly commenting on the negative aspects (amount of hours).
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:52 AM
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So many comments about how the recruiter is only concerned with getting a placement, yet the recruiter is explicitly commenting on the negative aspects (amount of hours).
Yes, that is pleasantly honest.

The employer must have made that clear to her that they don't want to waste their time on someone who won't put in the hours.
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