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Old 02-08-2018, 12:18 PM
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OK, I'll go with "Some Drake U kid has the job, but the rules are you have to make an opening public, so that is why this 'job opening' exists."
That is what I assumed from the beginning of this thread.
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Old 02-08-2018, 12:29 PM
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I interviewed another office - grilled for six hours to be an analyst (way overkill), got a crappy offer despite it seeming like a sweatshop. Was not desperate. Got a nice raise at my current place.
Congratulations! Whatever leverage you get in your career, use it.

I'll defend the six hour interview (ours are full day and include lunch and dinner on most occasions). We sincerely want to get to know you, we plan our interviews carefully, and this is also your opportunity to talk to us and figure out if you want to work with us (we don't want to hire you and then find out that you're miserable three months later). We aren't the best fit for everyone - for starters, you have to work with me.

We don't have a reputation as a sweatshop, however, AFAIK.
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Congratulations! Whatever leverage you get in your career, use it.

I'll defend the six hour interview (ours are full day and include lunch and dinner on most occasions). We sincerely want to get to know you, we plan our interviews carefully, and this is also your opportunity to talk to us and figure out if you want to work with us (we don't want to hire you and then find out that you're miserable three months later). We aren't the best fit for everyone - for starters, you have to work with me.

We don't have a reputation as a sweatshop, however, AFAIK.
interesting. I've certainly attended interviews that were 4-5 hours, and one problem I find is out of the 6 or so questions an interviewers ask, 3-4 are the same between each interviewer. After talking to 2 interviewers, I start to feel unconfident in my answers as I hear myself saying it a couple times already, and the answer just seems so trite. Certainly, there are benefits on the side of the employer to conduct long interviews (which is why most employers do that), but I've always despaired such interviews.

My favorite interview was when I just did a 1 hour session with 6 managers infront of me at the same time... very unusual setting, but short and to the point.
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Just note that when a company schedules a whole day of interviews, it's not doing that for ten different candidates. That is the short list. At least I hope, for a company that gets its revenues paid by the hour.
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interesting. I've certainly attended interviews that were 4-5 hours, and one problem I find is out of the 6 or so questions an interviewers ask, 3-4 are the same between each interviewer. After talking to 2 interviewers, I start to feel unconfident in my answers as I hear myself saying it a couple times already, and the answer just seems so trite. Certainly, there are benefits on the side of the employer to conduct long interviews (which is why most employers do that), but I've always despaired such interviews.
Agreed with this. We have rough scripts for each interviewer so that we're not covering the same ground.
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That is what I assumed from the beginning of this thread.
Why would you make that assumption with no evidence?
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Why would you make that assumption with no evidence?
In any system as strong as Paeno arithmetic, there are going to be statements that are true, but unprovable within the system.

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Intution. And not worrying about being wrong in this instance.
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Agreed with this. We have rough scripts for each interviewer so that we're not covering the same ground.
I don't know about every office but I've had recruiters tell me certain offices are sweatshops. When recruiters tell you that, it's real.

Every pair asked to "describe yourself" and by the time I'd told my story six different times it stopped sounding real.

The recruiter got annoyed at me because this was my 'reneg an unofficial acceptance' faux pas (and it's a major recruiter, but not DW) and won't work with me anymore. I only have a slightly smaller army of recruiters working with me now. Bummer. I get why, but the guy was pushy and got a yes out of me.

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