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Old 11-21-2017, 01:06 PM
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Are you pursuing any other options in the mean time?

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I was passively looking before I passed my second exam.

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You should be disappointed. Wallow in it for a bit and then get over it. The actuarial profession is not that special. It is really just another business analyst role. Specialized, yes. With a formal exam process that can help certain types of people get a little more money for their time than they woudl in a less structured environment, yes. But at the end of the day it's just a financial/business analyst role that nestles in right alongside all the other corporate cogs. It's really not that special. It's a good job if it's what you like, don't get me wrong. But it's not immune to such widespread toxins as age discrimination or whatever other common societal ill you want to talk about.
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Is there any angle to your blue collar experience that could get you in the door as a commercial underwriter, or a client-side risk manager (managing a company like your manufacturing employer's insurance policies, risk exposure, etc.) if you knocked out a CPCU?
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i think it would help if you weren't so confrontational, just based on your posts i have seen on this board. idk if you write like this to others in a business setting or on social media or only on this board but my impression is you are not someone i'd like to work with
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I don't work in insurance.
You should, at least consider underwriting. It's a field that values career changers, who often underwrite for their former industries. For example, if you work in construction, your experience would be seen as an asset for surety bond or builder's risk underwriting because you have an intuitive understanding of the underlying risk.
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It's cool that you're doing this. I hope it works out. They keep telling factory workers to retrain for something and you're doing it.
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Man, being EL in the US sounds pretty horrible.

They really should come up with specialised recruiters for EL folks in the US, because it seems that you basically have people spending enormous amounts of time sending hundreds of resumes just to see what sticks. This is very inefficient from my point of view.
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i think it would help if you weren't so confrontational, just based on your posts i have seen on this board. idk if you write like this to others in a business setting or on social media or only on this board but my impression is you are not someone i'd like to work with
Ok, you can stop being so damn beta. It's just so.....Actuarial.
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Ok, you can stop being so damn beta. It's just so.....Actuarial.
Some types of talent just aren't as in demand as others. OP chose to go into a field where you can randomly draw straws from a bucket of 4-exam candidates and be reasonably confident that your pick can do analyst work.

Now, coding, on the other hand, there seems to be a shortage of that. I think if OP spent a weekend learning SQL and how to answer interview questions concerning table joins, he could get a starting salary of $75k as a back office BI analyst.

You can blame the societies for not expanding into areas that are in demand. I mean a fresh CS graduate can get $120k as a software engineer and a newly minted data scientist might get something like $90k. Yeah, I do fault the societies for not pushing actuaries into these areas.
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Have you researched the age of past FSA recipients? Assuming you're 45, no company is going to invest in minting a 50-year-old FSA as a best case scenario.
1) At a FAC I recently attended, the oldest FSA recipient was 60+.
B) Companies will only invest in employees that they can get at least 20-30 years out of? Longevity is not the only variable.
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Here're some more:
- spam the directory
- apply to other non-actuarial data roles
- attend SOA conferences to network in person
- network with local actuaries using the SOA Explorer tool

- get some official programming certifications
- make an online portfolio to refer to for more work samples and personal stories
- network with other older career changers who've made it
I absolutely agree with the bolded above. In-person connections are extremely valuable, and I don't think you specified what your current network consists of and how many of them are people you've met face-to-face.
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Thread should’ve ended here, but this is Careers.
True. People tend to get too PC in here in order to adopt the "everybody can do it shtick", which leads to ridiculous sugarcoating.

Objective advice is what people need here, with no sugarcoating. Otherwise, you are not helping them.
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