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Old 10-12-2018, 11:42 AM
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On the bright-side we will have years to argue whether or not Barkley at #2 was the right pick. The fact that Barkley has been this impressive early on definitely makes it an interesting debate. I still come down on the side that it wasn't the right choice but he is damn talented so it makes it interesting.
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Old 10-12-2018, 11:48 AM
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there's no reason to think that it's extremely unlikely that the Giants will still have a terrible QB situation by the 2020 season.
Gave up trying to parse this but I think it might say the opposite of what you meant. Regardless, certainly makes sense that the deciding factor on how to use a #2 overall should be based on what's "extremely unlikely".
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Old 10-12-2018, 11:50 AM
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They could have traded Beckham and reset around Barkley. A top WR is the icing on the cake, not the foundation.
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Old 10-12-2018, 11:51 AM
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Hard to say, but maybe they didn't like Darnold. It's easy to criticize a team for not drafting a QB early, but one thing we don't think about is drafting a QB is a 3-4 year commitment to that guy being your teams guy. A GM and head coach are also putting their jobs in that guys hand. If you're not sure it would be a tough call to make when you're looking at a sure fire monster offensive weapon instead.
In two years when Darnold starts looking like Bortles people will still think Barkley, the future league leading rusher, was not worth the pick. There's no convincing them that drafting QB high usually doesn't pan out. At least half of the guys picked won't even be starters by the time their contract ends, Barkley will be a superstar.
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Picking a RB in the top 10 in the draft is dumb. The value that RBs give over a replacement level RB is marginal and rookie wage scale means they're already near the top paid at their position.

Everyone just loves the occasional exciting play and some fantasy stats since teams can toss a high drafted rookie running back in there every play. later round picks or cheap free agents could perform at 95% the level of a top running back.
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They could have traded Beckham and reset around Barkley. A top WR is the icing on the cake, not the foundation.
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Old 10-12-2018, 11:56 AM
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There's no way in hell picking Barkley was a mistake. I never wanted to use the pick on a QB - the best choices IMO were either Barkley or trade down. We don't really know what trade options were available. The haul they could have gotten for the #2 pick is likely less than it would be in many other drafts because there were 4 good QBs available, so given that Darnold/Allen/Rosen were viewed as being somewhat interchangeable, no one would overpay to move up to #2 if they were fairly indifferent as to which of those QBs they ended up with.

Barkley may be the most talented RB in the league, and barring catastrophic injury, he's going to be awesome for the next 8+ years. The Giants are going to suck again this year and they'll likely be able to take Justin Herbert next year if they want. If they believe he's in the same tier as whoever they would've taken last year, they are MUCH better off with Herbert and the next Barry Sanders than they would've been with Darnold and whoever else they might have gotten in the draft this year.
fully agree, they should try to convince eli to retire at the end of the season since it's unlikely he'd help the new qb.
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They could have traded Beckham and reset around Barkley. A top WR is the icing on the cake, not the foundation.
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In two years when Darnold starts looking like Bortles people will still think Barkley, the future league leading rusher, was not worth the pick. There's no convincing them that drafting QB high usually doesn't pan out. At least half of the guys picked won't even be starters by the time their contract ends, Barkley will be a superstar.
That implies that it was a binary move between Barkley and Darnold, which it wasn't.

We aren't arguing with Barkley's talent. The giants have a top 5 rb right now and they have a top 5 wr right now and they still suck. The argument is that RBs just don't bring enough value to the table over a replacement level rb (especially when you take salary into account).
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I find men are pretty simple creatures, actually...just figure out what they like (BJs, chicken pot pie, good scotch, whatever) and then give them lots of it, and they're pretty compliant.

Manipulating women...now THAT's hard. Probably because most woman have no clue what they like.
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the next Barry Sanders


He's no Barry (or are you saying that he'll win only one playoff game in his entire career?)
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