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Old 05-23-2019, 08:54 PM
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He and I have the Model 200, I bought seven of them at a really great price. Egghead has two, three went to a friend in STL, I have two. One of mine stopped working though, I should probably see if it's repairable and I could use those. 200wpc into 8 ohms, and I suspect they are rated much more conservatively than my receiver.
Aren't most receivers rated in terms of running power only through 2 channels? So, the power drops off with the more speakers you're running?

Outlaw, meanwhile, prides themselves on only showing ratings with all channels running. Of course, with a monoblock, that's not really an issue.
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Aren't most receivers rated in terms of running power only through 2 channels? So, the power drops off with the more speakers you're running?

Outlaw, meanwhile, prides themselves on only showing ratings with all channels running. Of course, with a monoblock, that's not really an issue.
Exactly. And not only are most receivers rated that way, itís often at higher levels of THD. And most high-ish end amps are tested to handle harder (capacitive) loads. Mac amps will do rated power at something like 0.05% THD, for 24 hours straight.

I know when I started down this road I had a cheap receiver (Sharp maybe?) that was rated at 100w, and I think that was just a lie. Moved to a Denon with 70w and it was a huge leap forward. And then onto a 50w NAD with more power still. I ran Magnepan SMG that were about 86dB efficient off of that and it wasnít half bad. I donít think you need Mac, but I totally think itís worth it to buy NAD, or Emotiva, or Outlaw, or whatever.

Back in my car audio days, competitions put people in classes based on total power. But it was rated power, and eventually manufacturers just started lying, but the other way round. Make a 400w amp, but rate it as a 100w amp to stay in a lower class. It culminated with an Orion amp rated at one watt. It was about two feet long with 1/0 gauge power/ground connectors and I think a 200A fuse.

So yeah, some manufacturers will lie. Or at least stretch things.
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I decided to test the value of quality amplifiers tonight, by taking those Outlaw monoblocks out of my system, rerunning Audyssey, listening to a number of songs, and then putting things back the way they were (including a rerun of Audyssey.) As I think through how I would describe the differences, it seemed to resonate well with what the guy described in that review of the Outlaw 7720:

- fuller, more seamless soundstage
- cleaner transients

Right now, I only have those on my L/R fronts. So it would be fun to see what difference it would make to run my whole system through something of that quality. And it sounds like the 7720 might even be an upgrade over the current monoblocks, though I'm sure we're entering the territory of rapidly diminishing returns...
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Off and on, I've toyed with the idea of buying a sixth and seventh JBL 590 tower speaker. The 4th and 5th were a huge upgrade on the JBL 230 bookshelf speakers I had. I'm pretty happy with my DCM floor-standers as rear speakers, so I've resisted.

But then the JBL Studio 530 bookshelf speakers just came back after a long period of being unavailable (2 years, maybe?) Not only that, but they were sold at half off for a poorly advertised Father's Day sale. Regardless, they sold out quickly. I've heard for too long how perfect these are as surrounds to complement the 590 towers, so I thought, "Why not?" Especially since they offer free returns.

I got them today and plugged them in. I can't believe it. They actually sound BETTER (at least, as surrounds) than my 590 towers! I listened to the scene in "Dr. Strange" where he is transported to the ethereal dimension (?) and the Ancient One (I could be botching all of this with my poor memory) is speaking to him, with her voice moving all around the room. The effect was actually even more seamless than with the matching towers. That shouldn't be possible. But these bookshelf speakers are in the same Studio 5 series, so it's not surprising that they would be an excellent match. It's just weird that they would be better than identicals.

Kind of wishing now that I'd bought two pair of these suckers. I see now why they are so popular. People were paying $1k a pair for these things, used off eBay. I got them for $300. Couldn't be more pleased.
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