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Old 12-05-2011, 03:22 PM
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I didn't realize there was so much play left (150 left playing down to 50). This is a snap call in my opinion.
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That's what I told myself. 26K shove says he wants me to fold. AA or KK shouldn't do that there. He had right around an average stack and I felt he just wanted to add ~4K (my bet + B/A) right there.
These things happen in tournaments. Can't cash in them all, and when you do, you want to be top 5.

If you fold, what is your table image then? A wimp. Expect more of the same against your raises (or you tighten up further) until you bust out an hour later.
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If you fold, what is your table image then? A wimp. Expect more of the same against your raises (or you tighten up further) until you bust out an hour later.
Seriously...do you play much poker at all? One fold = "wimp" table image? You realize if I fold, they would have never seen my queens, right? That's called "mucking your cards."
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:53 AM
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i am almost never folding QQ in this spot to an unknown in a donkament. maybe i give it a think if he's age 70+ but even then i'm calling more often than not.

i'm not a great player, but would be surprised if any of that crew liked the fold either.
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Old 12-06-2011, 09:32 AM
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i am almost never folding QQ in this spot to an unknown in a donkament. maybe i give it a think if he's age 70+ but even then i'm calling more often than not.

i'm not a great player, but would be surprised if any of that crew liked the fold either.
Well I didn't fold...

I guess I'm just curious if there's ever a spot like this (outside of already cashing and hunting big money jumps) where you should fold and keep your strong chip stack rather than nearly risk your tournament life.
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Old 12-06-2011, 10:24 AM
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If its very close to the bubble, maybe you could fold. But these overshoves are almost always medium pairs or aces with decent kickers. QQ is way ahead of his range, and you made the correct call, which is all you can control.
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If you even consider folding to an all in raise after opening with QQ, you should have just mucked your hand preflop.
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One other quick observation that will probably help you in the future:

Next time you're at at table and you see someone wildly overbet the pot all-in preflop, what they're telling you is that they know they have no post-flop skills. This means they will hardly ever defend their blinds, and therefore you should raise their blinds at every single opportunity you get, regardless of their position relative to you.
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One other quick observation that will probably help you in the future:

Next time you're at at table and you see someone wildly overbet the pot all-in preflop, what they're telling you is that they know they have no post-flop skills. This means they will hardly ever defend their blinds, and therefore you should raise their blinds at every single opportunity you get, regardless of their position relative to you.
lol nah..everyone thinks they have great postflop skills
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Seriously...do you play much poker at all? One fold = "wimp" table image? You realize if I fold, they would have never seen my queens, right? That's called "mucking your cards."
Now, don't be like that.
What should I think of someone who raises UTG (seems strong), then folds to a large all-in (not so strong)? I think he raises light. I think he'll raise light the next time. I think he'll fold to the next all-in. I won't even have to look at my cards.
Your table image, and your ideas about others, is constantly changing. You'll never get enough data to be sure, but you make a guess, and modify as the game goes along. This is his first look at you.
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