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Valens was an early church saint who was known for actually inventing the eating utensil that we call a "fork" today.

They celebrated his invention every year towards the end of winter but before spring begins.

They called it . . .

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Valen's Tine Day
That requires penance, for sure.
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Jesus did not tell us to fast... he told us to eat bread and wine in remembrance of him... I am going to drink more alcohol in honor of the Lord for this season of lent... join me...
Actually in Matthew 6:16, Jesus implied that we should fast:

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Just noting the choice of wording "when you fast" vs "if you fast".
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Day 4: Polycarp

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those who were bound in chains, the fitting ornaments of saints
We may be slaves to God, but certainly not to sin. Chains are the last type or ornament I would associate with the believers.

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"alms delivers from death."
This evidently comes from the book of Tobit, a book not found in my Bible. The verse this refers to is Tobit 12:9,
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For alms doth deliver from death, and shall purge away all sin. Those that exercise alms and righteousness shall be filled with life:
I cannot accept this saying as it would seem to render the crucifixion of Jesus unnecessary.

Summary: He repeats a lot of good scripture, but doesn't much that is new or exciting.
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Day 5: Ignatius

My main concern with this passage is how the church hierachy inserts itself between the believer and God. Better to do directly to the source than to trust in a man to give you something second-hand. Our obedience is to God first, and we hope that what the bishop or the church suggests is in accordance.

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Wherefore it is fitting that ye should run together in accordance with the will of your bishop, which thing also ye do. For your justly renowned presbytery, worthy of God, is fitted as exactly to the bishop as the strings are to the harp ... For if the prayer of one or two possesses such power, how much more that of the bishop and the whole Church ... Now the more any one sees the bishop keeping silence, the more ought he to revere him. For we ought to receive every one whom the Master of the house sends to be over His household, as we would do Him that sent him. It is manifest, therefore, that we should look upon the bishop even as we would upon the Lord Himself ... so that ye obey the bishop and the presbytery with an undivided mind.
This also did not sit well with me, and could be a difference between Catholics and Protestants, pertaining value to symbolic act of communion that I would not have ascribed to it:

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breaking one and the same bread, which is the medicine of immortality, and the antidote to prevent us from dying, but [which causes] that we should live for ever in Jesus Christ.
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You guys hitting up Arby's for those delicious looking fish sandwiches they're advertising non-stop?
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Reminder: Ignatius & Polycarp were of the late 1st/early 2nd century.

Bishops got started very early in the church, and given the number of exhortations against false teachers, one can see the need. There were all sorts of heresies (docetism - boo hiss; Gnosticism - boo hiss) popping up from early on. Bishops were the shepherds, to attempt to keep the people from going astray.

What's interesting re: early church heresies - tending to center on the divinity/humanity of Jesus and other Trinitarian issues, those are actually not the points on which Catholics & the early Protestants disagree. Unitarianism & Gnosticism did come back, but in more modern schisms.
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I don't have an Arby's near me.
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I could get shrimp at Popeye's, tho
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Oh, and Tobit is really really weird
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You guys hitting up Arby's for those delicious looking fish sandwiches they're advertising non-stop?
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