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#81
01-29-2016, 10:58 AM
 campbell Mary Pat Campbell SOA AAA Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NY Studying for duolingo and coursera Favorite beer: Murphy's Irish Stout Posts: 83,778 Blog Entries: 6

the graph being critiqued:

this is the "corrected" graph from the WSJ:

and here's the corrected-corrected graph:

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#82
01-29-2016, 10:59 AM
 campbell Mary Pat Campbell SOA AAA Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NY Studying for duolingo and coursera Favorite beer: Murphy's Irish Stout Posts: 83,778 Blog Entries: 6

fwiw, I don't think y-axes =have= to start at 0.

I think the WSJ graph is just fine
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#83
01-29-2016, 11:03 AM
 Pseudolus Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Kooey Kooey Kooey Favorite beer: Four Loko Posts: 64,099

Quote:
 Originally Posted by campbell fwiw, I don't think y-axes =have= to start at 0. I think the WSJ graph is just fine
Agreed. So long as your graph clearly communicates that the spot one might think is zero, ain't, no problem.
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#84
02-01-2016, 10:54 AM
 BassFreq Member CAS Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chicago Studying for all eternity Favorite beer: Duff Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 2

Quote:
 Originally Posted by campbell fwiw, I don't think y-axes =have= to start at 0. I think the WSJ graph is just fine
I agree that the y-axis does not always have to start at zero. But I disagree about theh WSJ graph being just fine. The corrected WSJ graph is fine only if you pay close attention to the y-axis numbers. But this is a pretty picture and a whole lot of people ignore the numbers when looking at pretty pictures. If the y-axis numbers were ignored or removed, then the graph looks like we go from next to nothing up to a whole lot. They could have just as easily created that graph with the max of the y-axis to be a quadrillion and the line would look very flat...but they didn't because they're trying to exaggerate the slope of the line. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the slope can be misleading when we play games with the y-axis.
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#85
02-11-2016, 03:38 PM
 SpaceActuary Member Join Date: Apr 2010 College: Drake U Posts: 601

Here's an interesting interactive:
http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/20...-marries-whom/

Sure enough--I always figured we actuaries love our data, but I didn't realize how much.
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#86
02-11-2016, 04:37 PM
 glassy Member Non-Actuary Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 3,683

Female actuaries that marry same-sex tend to marry carpenters, and male actuaries that marry same-sex tend to marry fitness instructors?
#87
02-11-2016, 04:40 PM
 redearedslider Member CAS Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 13,359

Quote:
 Originally Posted by glassy Am I reading this right... Female actuaries that marry same-sex tend to marry carpenters, and male actuaries that marry same-sex tend to marry fitness instructors?

Seems logical
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#88
02-11-2016, 04:48 PM
 Meshuga Member Non-Actuary Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 12,008

Quote:
 Originally Posted by glassy Am I reading this right... Female actuaries that marry same-sex tend to marry carpenters, and male actuaries that marry same-sex tend to marry fitness instructors?
i was wondering the same thing.
#89
02-11-2016, 05:28 PM
 Neutral Omen Member SOA Join Date: Oct 2011 Favorite beer: Kwak Posts: 6,990

Quote:
 Originally Posted by campbell fwiw, I don't think y-axes =have= to start at 0. I think the WSJ graph is just fine
if they did, every single site that displays market data would be very wrong.
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#90
02-11-2016, 07:45 PM
 Neutral Omen Member SOA Join Date: Oct 2011 Favorite beer: Kwak Posts: 6,990

Quote:
 Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge 1. Graphs were way cooler 100 years ago - almost works of art.
Not just almost, they are works of art.
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