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An extra 2 grand doesn't make me feel all that bad.

Except since the current position that I'm involved in is a coding position, so the difference between a PhD and Bachelor's offer may be significant.
If all you're comparing is monetary gain in an actuarial world, then there isn't that much reason to go for a graduate degree (time cost).

However, knowledge is valuable to some people, even if it doesn't transition directly to $$$.

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Not all PhDs are the same, but it probably doesn't matter for most actuarial jobs.

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I’m fairly certain that my employer would give the same offer to all three candidates. It’s my understanding that for the actuarial student program the formula is basically: salary = market base + exam increases + differentiation (rare). The “differentiation” piece is sort of like a preemptive raise of $1-2k for the top one or two summer interns that the company really wants to retain full time.
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No, not everyone gets the same pay. As a matter of fact, (at least in actuarial), some companies make different offers to even interns. I interned for a large company in NYC and bc i had more exams, I was offered significantly more than my friend who interned with me the same summer.

$35/hr vs $20 or $25 (I forgot). EIther way, it's pretty significant if you ask me
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I have a question. Would a doctorate who specialized in hyperbolic geometry make more than one that specialized in something like applied or computational maths... or do they value all phd's the same?
They would offer more money to the candidate that effectively sells themselves and their skills and convinces the employer they will be valuable.
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At my first job, my pay was adjusted about 6 months after to make it similar to those with my higher degree.

Shorter version: not all companies are the same, and any anecdotal evidence gathered here is useless for the specific company you're interviewing with.
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Shorter version: not all companies are the same, and any anecdotal evidence gathered here is useless for the specific company you're interviewing with.

As usual, DTNF nails it.
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People coming straight out of college with the same degrees can get different offers where I am, there's a range but it's not a set value.
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The “differentiation” piece is sort of like a preemptive raise of $1-2k for the top one or two summer interns that the company really wants to retain full time.
Oh damn throwing down that sweet ca$h to keep the talent in house!

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