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1. Is your resume awkwardly written? I'm almost sure about this based on your posting. Have you had a native speaker review it?
1a. Does your resume follow standard actuarial resume format or a more academic format? It should be the former, and you should have someone in the actuarial field (not HR, not academia) take a look.
2. Your resume needs to directly indicate you don't need a green card - assuming that HR systems, including people, are taking all information into account at all times is a bad assumption.
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My resume was reviewed by staff from two actuarial recruiting firms. They told me that my resume was good to go.
I have a two-page version resume for applying actuarial job, and a 6-page version for academic and high-end analyst jobs.
Well, we've identified a couple problems here. First off, I specifically said "not HR," which is effectively what actuarial recruiting firms are. Even though they specialize in the field, their concern is standardizing it to their firm's standards, not making you stand out. Second, get it down to one page. Yes, I understand that you can probably fill out 2 pages with relevant content whereas most EL people can't. Doesn't matter, one page. Same goes for people with 10 years of experience even. The goal isn't to list everything, but to consolidate the most important information and be conscientious of the person reading your resume's time. Your 6 page CV (not resume) is a different type of document, so I'm not commenting on that at all since it's probably fine.

I'd recommend posting your resume in the resume review subforum to see if there are any fixes they can offer.
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Well, we've identified a couple problems here. First off, I specifically said "not HR," which is effectively what actuarial recruiting firms are. Even though they specialize in the field, their concern is standardizing it to their firm's standards, not making you stand out. Second, get it down to one page. Yes, I understand that you can probably fill out 2 pages with relevant content whereas most EL people can't. Doesn't matter, one page. Same goes for people with 10 years of experience even. The goal isn't to list everything, but to consolidate the most important information and be conscientious of the person reading your resume's time. Your 6 page CV (not resume) is a different type of document, so I'm not commenting on that at all since it's probably fine.

I'd recommend posting your resume in the resume review subforum to see if there are any fixes they can offer.
Got it. I will do it after the holiday. I am anxiously waiting for FA result. According the the FA grading spreadsheet in the Mod6-8 section, SOA should've graded my FA two days ago. It looks like they have stopped grading. I guess they are on vacation.
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Does your resume follow standard actuarial resume format or a more academic format? It should be the former, and you should have someone in the actuarial field (not HR, not academia) take a look.
I can't agree with you more about getting the resume down to one page.

However, can you elaborate on what you mean by "more academic format"? Is this look & feel you're referring to or do you mean eliminating achievements on the resume that are specifically academic like published papers that are not relevant to actuarial work? Or something else?

What is an "academic resume format" and what is an "actuarial resume format"?
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I can't agree with you more about getting the resume down to one page.

However, can you elaborate on what you mean by "more academic format"? Is this look & feel you're referring to or do you mean eliminating achievements on the resume that are specifically academic like published papers that are not relevant to actuarial work? Or something else?

What is an "academic resume format" and what is an "actuarial resume format"?
The resumes I've seen from academics sometimes list every single paper they've written, to the extent that they're several pages long.

That's really not necessary for private sector actuarial jobs.
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The resumes I've seen from academics sometimes list every single paper they've written, to the extent that they're several pages long.

That's really not necessary for private sector actuarial jobs.
Maybe it's just me, but when I see a one page resume with no clutter and only relevant details listed, I become interested in this person. It allows me to quickly categorize the candidate in my mind. It conveys confidence in the sense that they feel comfortable leaving off achievements and it allows the details to be filled in during an interview in the candidate's own words.

Also if a candidate lists only a few programming languages and limits their use of buzz words, it seems more credible. Too many people list every language you've ever heard of and "machine learning" etc. and to me this just says "I wrote everything I've ever heard of and I'll know nothing on the job."

But also... I really don't like that cliche ugly Microsoft Word format everyone uses. It seems like a good idea to have a format that is clutter-free, readable and brief but maybe also noticeably unique.

Of course I haven't spent too much time being involved in the hiring process so I'm interested if my take on it is shared by people who have been for a while.
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Maybe it's just me, but when I see a one page resume with no clutter and only relevant details listed, I become interested in this person. It allows me to quickly categorize the candidate in my mind. It conveys confidence in the sense that they feel comfortable leaving off achievements and it allows the details to be filled in during an interview in the candidate's own words.

Also if a candidate lists only a few programming languages and limits their use of buzz words, it seems more credible. Too many people list every language you've ever heard of and "machine learning" etc. and to me this just says "I wrote everything I've ever heard of and I'll know nothing on the job."

But also... I really don't like that cliche ugly Microsoft Word format everyone uses. It seems like a good idea to have a format that is clutter-free, readable and brief but maybe also noticeably unique.

Of course I haven't spent too much time being involved in the hiring process so I'm interested if my take on it is shared by people who have been for a while.
same applies with linkedin profiles imo.
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I can't agree with you more about getting the resume down to one page.

However, can you elaborate on what you mean by "more academic format"? Is this look & feel you're referring to or do you mean eliminating achievements on the resume that are specifically academic like published papers that are not relevant to actuarial work? Or something else?

What is an "academic resume format" and what is an "actuarial resume format"?
The OP's response covers that pretty well. It's basically a CV, where you list all accomplishments, rather than the one page format that business people prefer. I will note that I've seen a lot of resumes that are multi-page, and I hated all of them. I appreciate that someone with 20 years of experience needs to list jobs to show that, but if they're including details for obsolete work from 2005, I worry that they don't know how to filter down to relevant information in business communication. Show me that you can make a highlight reel!
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The resumes I've seen from academics sometimes list every single paper they've written, to the extent that they're several pages long.

That's really not necessary for private sector actuarial jobs.
I think academic CVs serve a similar purpose to LinkedIn profiles (ie, provide your complete background).

Resumes are for piquing interest to get a call back.

Recruiters have a direct line of communication with hiring managers, so they can probably get away with giving a 2-page resume. You don't, so yours will go in the trash.
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That makes sense. If the flight ticket to Dallas is still less than $200, I will go.
It is really tough to land an EL job. I passed 5 SOA (some of them are CAS) exams very quickly and have a PhD. I couldn't even get an interview in 7 months.
My friend is working at HR of a big insurance company. She told me that there is oversupply of actuaries, they don't bother to spend too much time recruiting candidates. Basically, they cull from their own intern program. For people like me who is switching career path, not being a fresh graduate, they won't pass the resume to the hiring manager.

I am sure that my profile is a good fit for model validation. I have publications in very good journals using econometrics , time series and predictive modelling. But again, for EL job, some companies only pick candidates from fresh graduates.
Why don't you apply for an academic job teaching at an actuarial science program? There are several such postings at mathjobs.org; some of them are also posted at soa.org and casact.org. If you have teaching experience as a TA and have faculty contacts that can vouch for your research potential and teaching ability, you will be a strong applicant.
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