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Old 09-14-2017, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by yoyo View Post
sounds like you recovered well and saved the situ
Sort of. I'm sure their food was cold. I should have stopped it before it go to that point. I saw the problem and let it continue. Lesson learned.
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Old 09-14-2017, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by working girl View Post
So this is a tangent off this post.

So, I went to an interview with a large insurance company, and the interview was scheduled from 10-2 with no lunch break. I asked the scheduler and they said one wasn't built in. I ended up with the hiring manager at lunch time and they asked if I was hungry and did I want to go to lunch. We went somewhere where they have pre-made sandwiches and salads. The hiring manager said the company practice didn't pay for lunches, and then the hiring manager didn't even buy my lunch for me. It was <$10 so no big deal out of pocket.

It's been a while since I interviewed. Is this the norm these days? I don't think so, but I feel like even if I am offered the position, this is a huge red flag. Other than that, I really liked everything I heard.
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Old 09-15-2017, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by royevans View Post
yeah that one sucks, but what would you do if there are no restaurants in the area? Ask someone to bring you different lunch?
Get lunch delivered for the candidate plus 2-3 of your people and have it in a conference room. Totally fine as long as the candidate can put in their order in advance. I've gotten this treatment at a few places actually.
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My old company did commit one of these lunch interview faux pas one time. We took them to a decent place and paid and all that. The problem is that being the interviewer to get a free lunch had become quite popular. So there were 3 people for each of the two interviewees we had that day. At some point we all agree to go together, table of 8, 2 candidates who know there is only one job and SIX people firing questions at them. I thought it would be a lighter, getting to know you session but certain people there were asking tough questions, behavioral questions, technology questions. It was a real mess. The one guy kept trying to take a bite but he couldn't fit it in between answers and the other person kept trying to one-up him.

I ended up having to kick everyone out and rearrange the rest of the interview schedule so these poor people could actually eat. I really dropped the ball that day.
It was probably mortifying for the candidates, but this is comedy gold. These things are exactly why HR puts in rules for interviewing. You can thank your technically brilliant but socially incompetent brethren for some of the red tape.

For a "how to" on the interview lunch, my first chief actuary deserves a shout out for emphasizing the no business at lunch rule when I interviewed. Seriously, someone asked me a work related question and he cut me off before I could answer. At that moment, I wanted the job more than anything in the world.
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Old 09-15-2017, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ditkaworshipper View Post
For a "how to" on the interview lunch, my first chief actuary deserves a shout out for emphasizing the no business at lunch rule when I interviewed. Seriously, someone asked me a work related question and he cut me off before I could answer. At that moment, I wanted the job more than anything in the world.
I nominate this post for the "Why do you want to work here?" thread.
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I once had an interview in Texas where they delivered in the local BBQ.

I was impressed, except for the pickles.
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Old 09-21-2017, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by WilekOyote View Post
I have interviewed people that "let loose" a bit too much at lunch and destroyed their chances at the job.
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Old 09-21-2017, 03:53 PM
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This has happened to me before. I had a 45 min break in between 8 interviews, during the usual lunch hour, and no one came to get me. I went and asked the admin and the response was that I was free to go and get lunch. The whole interview seemed a bit disorganized tbh - my first interviewer was 15 minutes late.
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Old 09-21-2017, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Westley View Post
Oh, and agree that it's a red flag, but if you really did a full interview and liked everything else.... lots of good companies just have some goofy policy that makes no sense because somebody in HR had some hot-button issue that they thought they should make a rule about.
This, but even more so.

Sure this is not a plus for the company. There might be lots of reasons, even reasons that are positives. Maybe they don't have a good policy because they aren't interviewing anybody right now, but your future boss wants you so much they are bending the rules to get you the interview.

At worst, this is a dumb HR policy. if you like the people, like the job, you need a job and it's in your town - take this job!
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Old 09-25-2017, 01:20 PM
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The Out-Of-Town Interview: Who Pays For What, Exactly?

Dear Liz,

I just got invited to my first out-of-town job interview. I'm working now so it's going to take some doing to get a day off but I'm hoping I can schedule the interview for a Friday so I only have to miss one day of work.

Who pays for what, exactly? The recruiter who got me the interview told me that he isn't sure how this client handles out-of-town interviews because he hasn't worked with them before.
He made me nervous because he is the kind of recruiter who wants me to bend over backward for the employer, even though I'm working now and I know my experience is in demand.

The recruiter said "This interview is a big deal. You have to be flexible."

I'm not expecting him to be my champion if there's any disagreement related to scheduling, expenses or anything else related to this upcoming interview.

He desperately wants me to take this job if I get the offer. He is more interested in closing the transaction than looking out for my interests.

Although the role sounds really interesting, the company recruiter wasn't especially polite or human with me, either. She didn't offer me coffee, but she got a cup for herself.

I could easily imagine this company telling me that I have to pay some or all of the expenses for the out-of-town interview even though I'm only going because they want me to.

What is the standard? I don't have extra money to spend on travel. What should I do?



Dear Mira,

We are living in tumultuous times.

There are employers nowadays who will ask for and expect outrageous things from job-seekers, including personal outlays of cash. They will tell you it's normal and reasonable, but it isn't.

They will tell you that you're being difficult by trying not to go broke while interviewing with them.

Apart from having the right wardrobe and getting yourself physically to a local job interview by train, bus, bicycle or on foot, you are not responsible for any other expenses related to your interviews.

For an out-of-town interview, the employer pays for everything.

It is a huge inconvenience for you to miss work and make the effort to travel to a distant city.

You are expending time and energy that could go to any number of other good causes. The employer will cover every expense you incur during your trip:

1. They must pre-pay your lodging. Don't let them tell you to put it on your personal credit card and get reimbursed at some future date after chasing their accounting department until you're exhausted. Many job-seekers have been ripped off that way. If they won't direct-bill your hotel, don't go to the interview. You don't want to work for them in that case.

2. They must also pre-pay your flight. You don't expect first class travel but they shouldn't route you the least convenient way either, or expect you to rise at the crack of dawn to catch your flight.

3. Unless it is a short-hop commuter flight they should offer you a night's lodging — the night before the interview if it's a morning interview, or the night following the interview if the interview ends late. If they want you to fly into town, meet them and fly out the same day, be wary. How cheap can someone be?

4. If the job warrants an out-of-town interview, they should pick you up at the airport. It's a big red flag if they don't! The car service must be pre-paid.

5. You will pay for any meals you eat on your own during your trip. You'll be reimbursed for those expenses. If they take you somewhere to eat and ask the server for separate checks, get out of that recruiting pipeline!

Make sure you get it in writing that your hotel, flight and car service will be direct-billed to the employer and that you will be reimbursed for meals within thirty days after you submit your receipts.

Don't back down if this company gets cheap with you about your out-of-town interview.

This is their shining moment to show you what they are made of — and how your rank in their universe.

Their posture toward your out-of-town interview will tell you everything you need to know about their professionalism and integrity. Don't miss the signals!


BTW, have read a fair amount from this woman, and posted some here before. Depresses me that a lot of her advice can be summed up by "Don't deal with people who crap all over you". At first I thought she had a massive chip on her shoulder, but then we get threads like this and I realize how much you need to say stuff like that.
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