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Old 06-07-2010, 11:32 AM
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who owns all this debt? china?
Banks, insurance companies, too. Lots of institutional investors.

Not just China.
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Someone was asking about Norway, I think
http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...JjMjlkMGYzYjk=

=peering=... well, on this graph Norway looks pretty good.

Japan ain't looking so hot. To be sure, the U.S. Is no great shakes, either.
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how about canada? (or individual provinces, at least)

japan seems to be deteriorating, too
Japan is pushing debt-to-GDP of 200% [and still rising]. From what I recall, Quebec is heavily indebted.
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Japan is pushing debt-to-GDP of 200% [and still rising]. From what I recall, Quebec is heavily indebted.
Quebec itself is at 53.5% of GDP, bad, but not ugly. If you include Quebec's share of Canada's nationa debt, it balloons to 94% of GDP, which is obviously much too high.
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Japan is pushing debt-to-GDP of 200% [and still rising]. From what I recall, Quebec is heavily indebted.
i think ontario may actually be even worse than quebec, but am unsure of this. only alberta seems to be fine.
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Alberta has oil, yes?
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Alberta has oil, yes?
Oil sands, which are incredibly messy and expensive to get oil from, but yes. That's actually part of the controversy, because Quebec has the highest level of government services (1 year maternity leave, 6 months paternity leave, lowest tuition for colleges, lowest electricity rates, $7-a-day day care, etc) but then they get equalization payments from Alberta because there GDP is so low.
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Saskatchewan is doing just fine as well.
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Someone was asking about Norway, I think
http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...JjMjlkMGYzYjk=

=peering=... well, on this graph Norway looks pretty good.

Japan ain't looking so hot. To be sure, the U.S. Is no great shakes, either.
I'm surprised that Italy has a surplus. I thought Norway would be healthy, didn't realize that healthy though. No wonder they don't want to join the EU. Having all that oil pays off I guess.

Edit: that graph can't be right, there is a source a few posts above that says Italy has a 5.3% deficit, not a surplus. That's a problem.

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I'm surprised that Italy has a surplus. I thought Norway would be healthy, didn't realize that healthy though. No wonder they don't want to join the EU. Having all that oil pays off I guess.

Edit: that graph can't be right, there is a source a few posts above that says Italy has a 5.3% deficit, not a surplus. That's a problem.
maybe the 5.3% deficit is in absolute currency and the surplus you see there is in proportion to their gdp, which is negative.
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