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Old 09-30-2013, 10:05 AM
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Why are you surprised? If not for a fumble by the Carolina RB and a horrible horrible horrible decision by Schaub, Seattle is sitting at 2-2. Denver has run away with every game they have played.

I disagree that Denver is in one of the crappier divisions. KC has a really good defense and San Diego is playing good offense. It's way too early in the year to rank the middle 26 teams.

eta - I missed your point about divisional draw. Yes, Denver has an easier schedule this year because they play the NFC east
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Seattle's margins of victory:
@Carolina 5
San Francisco 26
Jacksonville 28
@Houston 3

Heading into the game at Houston, Seattle had a larger average margin of victory against significantly better opponents.
Significantly better opponents? Jacksonsville had the worst record in the league last year. Their first 3 opponents are 3 - 8 right now, they aren't better than anybody.
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Why are you surprised? If not for a fumble by the Carolina RB and a horrible horrible horrible decision by Schaub, Seattle is sitting at 2-2. Denver has run away with every game they have played.

If Schaub throws that ball away instead of at Sherman, then Seattle gets the ball back, down by 7 with bad field position but over 2:30 left. The game was far from won by Houston at that point. True, Wilson had just thrown an interception on the previous drive, but Seattle had easily marched down the field on the drive before that. We will never know how things would have played out.

Week One, Williams had the ball knocked loose (not a careless fumbled, but a good defensive play) at the Carolina 8 with 5:25 left. If he had kept the ball, it would have been a first down. Even IF Carolina had scored a touchdown (big IF there), Seattle would have had more than enough time for another drive to get into field goal position for a win or tie. Carolina's victory was far from a certainty prior to Williams's fumble.

My point being, that neither game was won or lost on those two plays that you isolated. But people always like to point out how one team "lost the game". Always frustrates me. and not just when it is my team
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Significantly better opponents? Jacksonsville had the worst record in the league last year. Their first 3 opponents are 3 - 8 right now, they aren't better than anybody.
Is Jacksonville really that much worse than the NYG team that Carolina destroyed 30-something to zero?

I would say that NYG and JAX are a wash, considering that Seattle sat it's first stringers against them for over a quarter.

My next look was that @Carolina + San Fran home looks a lot tougher than Baltimore + Oakland both at home.

But, I know I am clearly bias and the season is still very young. Already the transitive property of football is getting confusing
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Is Jacksonville really that much worse than the NYG team that Carolina destroyed 30-something to zero?
Answer: yes.

Giants would probably be favored by a touchdown in Jacksonville.
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Answer: yes.

Giants would probably be favored by a touchdown in Jacksonville.
I agree. Jacksonville is in a class of their own. They would make the Giants look good.
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If Schaub throws that ball away instead of at Sherman, then Seattle gets the ball back, down by 7 with bad field position but over 2:30 left. The game was far from won by Houston at that point. True, Wilson had just thrown an interception on the previous drive, but Seattle had easily marched down the field on the drive before that. We will never know how things would have played out.

Week One, Williams had the ball knocked loose (not a careless fumbled, but a good defensive play) at the Carolina 8 with 5:25 left. If he had kept the ball, it would have been a first down. Even IF Carolina had scored a touchdown (big IF there), Seattle would have had more than enough time for another drive to get into field goal position for a win or tie. Carolina's victory was far from a certainty prior to Williams's fumble.

My point being, that neither game was won or lost on those two plays that you isolated. But people always like to point out how one team "lost the game". Always frustrates me. and not just when it is my team
I'm not saying that the game was won or lost on those plays. I was simply stating that the Seahawks could easily be 2-2 right now. I'm not sure that anybody could look at Denver and say something similar.
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My early season optimism over Seattle is largely based on three assumptions:

1. The NFC may be the weaker conference this year so 11 or 12 wins may secure an NFC team a home field advantage well into the playoffs?

2. Seattle is almost unbeatable at home and already has two road victories including one over a tough opponent (Houston). Not hard to see them attaining the 11 or 12 wins mentioned in 1. above. Good luck to teams playing Seattle in Seattle in January.

3. NFL defences can't seem to handle the Doug Flutie style of play that Russell Wilson uses.

Winning a game by capitalizing on the other teams' mistakes is as legitimate a way to win as any other so I give Seattle full marks for their two road wins. Seattle's defence is especially good at forcing mistakes (which could be reason #4 for my optimism.)
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My early season optimism over Seattle is largely based on three assumptions:

1. The NFC may be the weaker conference this year so 11 or 12 wins may secure an NFC team a home field advantage well into the playoffs?

2. Seattle is almost unbeatable at home and already has two road victories including one over a tough opponent (Houston). Not hard to see them attaining the 11 or 12 wins mentioned in 1. above. Good luck to teams playing Seattle in Seattle in January.

3. NFL defences can't seem to handle the Doug Flutie style of play that Russell Wilson uses.

Winning a game by capitalizing on the other teams' mistakes is as legitimate a way to win as any other so I give Seattle full marks for their two road wins. Seattle's defence is especially good at forcing mistakes (which could be reason #4 for my optimism.)
I agree with 1, 2, and 4. I'm not sold on #3, but time will tell.

Monday December 2 will be a huge game. New Orleans at Seattle.
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I agree. Jacksonville is in a class of their own. They would make the Giants look good.
My point was, is there really any difference in demolishing a NYG or demolishing JAX? Neither victory tells you much about the team.
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