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I have worked with paralegals in the past. This sure sounds to me like paraactuarial. And not in a good way. It's like a rating lower than career ASA (nttawwt).
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Maybe it's an attempt to lure more people to the SOA side. Hey I got this credential while I was still in college and put those letters next to my name on my resume.
Not while still in college, apparently. It has a one year "relevant experience" requirement. At best, you add an "Actuarial Analyst Exams" section to your resume. The experience requirement makes it even more confusing to me as to why you'd want to pursue it - you've already got the gig.
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Maybe it's an attempt to lure more people to the SOA side. Hey I got this credential while I was still in college and put those letters next to my name on my resume.
Other than HR, wouldn't a hiring manager see these exams (and no actuarial exams) on an entry level's resume and slam dunk it into the trash?
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Same here. And generally speaking they're folks who either never wanted to take exams in the first place, or who dropped out after failing a bunch of exams in a row. So they're probably not terribly enthusiastic about taking more exams. At the very least they'd have to be substantially easier than the prelims if they want to actually attract candidates.
Based on the sample exam from Module 0 of the IFoA exam, it definitely is.
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This move is consistent with other professions. In the medical field you now have physicians, nurse practitioners, physician's assistants, ...

Why should we be any different?
Why should we be the same?

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Not while still in college, apparently. It has a one year "relevant experience" requirement. At best, you add an "Actuarial Analyst Exams" section to your resume. The experience requirement makes it even more confusing to me as to why you'd want to pursue it - you've already got the gig.
Isn't that more of an experience requirement than FSA?
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Other than HR, wouldn't a hiring manager see these exams (and no actuarial exams) on an entry level's resume and slam dunk it into the trash?
The point is supposed to be that these people are looking for different jobs than EL actuarial students, I think. (Dangerous to opine on SOA logic.)

The reality is that the people who actually fill those other positions are actuarial students who dropped out of taking actuarial exams.

I suppose that the problem this is theoretically solving is that historically once you quit taking exams, assuming you are pre-ASA, you don't have much ability to move from one company to the next and are kind of stuck at the same company forever.

But it doesn't really address the fact that the people in these non-student roles are people who gave up on exams and the company probably created a position for them because they were good workers.

I haven't seen many companies actively seeking employees for these types of roles.
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