More Extremists Tout Global Warmin Risks

[yankeetripper]

http://www.securityandclimate.cna.org/

The CNA Corporation brought together eleven retired three-star and four-star admirals and generals to provide advice, expertise and perspective on the impact of climate change. CNAC writers and researchers compiled the report under the board's direction and review.

The report includes several formal findings:

* Projected climate change poses a serious threat to America's national security.
* Climate change acts as a threat multiplier for instability in some of the most volatile regions of the world.
* Projected climate change will add to tensions even in stable regions of the world.
* Climate change, national security and energy dependence are a related set of global challenges.

The report also made several specific recommendations:

* The national security consequences of climate change should be fully integrated into national security and national defense strategies.
* The U.S. should commit to a stronger national and international role to help stabilize climate changes at levels that will avoid significant disruption to global security and stability.
* The U.S. should commit to global partnerships that help less developed nations build the capacity and resiliency to better manage climate impacts.
* The Department of Defense should enhance its operational capability by accelerating the adoption of improved business processes and innovative technologies that result in improved U.S. combat power through energy efficiency.
* DoD should conduct an assessment of the impact on US military installations worldwide of rising sea levels, extreme weather events, and other possible climate change impacts over the next thirty to forty years.

Yep just another bunch of crazy religious environmentalist at it again.

[lennie]

Agreed. "Since we've got so much money in national defense, lets fund global warming there."

[yoyo]

Originally Posted by yankeetripper

http://www.securityandclimate.cna.org/



Yep just another bunch of crazy religious environmentalist at it again.

So now the MIC is trustworthy?

[notreallyme]

Ummmm ..... That report says nothing about if GW is happening or not.

Which is good, because none of the 11 Generals / Admirals are scientists.

Shocking Conclusion!!! People who are in the military would like the military to handle some new projects.

[yankeetripper]

Originally Posted by notreallyme

Ummmm ..... That report says nothing about if GW is happening or not.

Which is good, because none of the 11 Generals are scientists.

Wow your read the whole 68 page report since I posted the thread, you must be bored.

[notreallyme]

Originally Posted by yankeetripper

Wow your read the whole 68 page report since I posted the thread, you must be bored.

I only looked at the summary. If it does indeed say what you seem to be claiming it says whoever wrote the summary really sucks at writing summaries.

I did look at the report, and as expected it was a waste of time .... EVERY topic is on the implications of climate change, not if they are happening.

If it does show ANY proof that GW is happening could you point it out for me?

--- Well at least you got the title of the thread right I'll give you that much. ---

[yankeetripper]

Originally Posted by notreallyme

I only looked at the summary. If it does indeed say what you seem to be claiming it says whoever wrote the summary really sucks at writing summaries.

I did look at the report, and as expected it was a waste of time .... EVERY topic is on the implications of climate change, not if they are happening.

If it does show ANY proof that GW is happening could you point it out for me?

--- Well at least you got the title of the thread right I'll give you that much. ---

It is not a scientific study on climate change so why would they be presenting such evidence? As you said they are not scientist, I never claimed they were. It is a panel of respected military personnel who are assessing the implications on a geo-political scale should GW be true. There are statements in the report that say something to the effect of "After reviewing available scientific evidence we believe (there's that word again - crazy religious people ) that GW is occuring and is man made, so we commissioned this report on the implications for national security."

Now one of the big arguments against GW is even if it real it would cost too much to do anything about it. This reports shows that there would be significant cost in human life (and probably global economic disruption) as well as increased terrorist activity and "terror states" should GW be real, anthropormorphic and we do nothing about it.

The point is it isn't just a handful environmental zealots who see GW as a potentially huge problem that deserves more of a response than "oh well, nothing we can do about it anyway why worry."

[notreallyme]

Originally Posted by yankeetripper

It is not a scientific study on climate change so why would they be presenting such evidence?

Then why when I made that very comment did you make the smart @$$ reply of me not reading the report?

After reviewing available scientific evidence we believe

Who is 'we'? The Generals?

You always talk about biased reports (you meaning the GW people not you yankeetripper) and claim that studies done by Exxon etc are biased.

But a bunch of Gov't employees (Military Generals) make a recommendation to increase the size of the Gov't (Military) and you take it at face value.

[notreallyme]

Originally Posted by yankeetripper

The point is it isn't just a handful environmental zealots who see GW as a potentially huge problem that deserves more of a response than "oh well, nothing we can do about it anyway why worry."

Lots and lots of people believe in Allah too, doesn't mean it's true.

Considering there is very little economic cost may I ask if you:
1) Own a hybrid car
2) Have alternative heating at your house
3) Other?

-- I find those things to be quite expensive. And it's not just economic cost but loss in quality of life. I happen to like not having to wear sweaters at home in the winter or being naked in the summer. Comfort is important.

[yankeetripper]

Originally Posted by notreallyme

Lots and lots of people believe in Allah too, doesn't mean it's true.

Considering there is very little economic cost may I ask if you:
1) Own a hybrid car
2) Have alternative heating at your house
3) Other?

-- I find those things to be quite expensive. And it's not just economic cost but loss in quality of life. I happen to like not having to wear sweaters at home in the winter or being naked in the summer. Comfort is important.

I don't think there is much scientific research supporting the existence of Allah, that's generally a item of faith. This however relies heavily on the findings of IPCC report and the science is recaped in in Appendix 2 from pps 56 - 60. You can choose to believe it or not.

As for Hybrid car, our last car was a minivan, at the time hybrids were not available. Our other car is used little but is 13 years old, we'll replace it with a hybrid sometime in 08 most likely.

Sadly our roof is not such that we can't install solar and a wind turbine isn't an option, though we have considered both. We do try to replace with energy efficient whenever possible even if more expensive upfront. I think there are several threads on this already so that's as far as I'll go. Other than to say as for sweaters, we don't mind them in winter though sweatshirts are more comfortable IMO.

For me the thought is if GW is real and we do nothing the consequences can be dire, in human life, in ecological destruction and economic cost.

If GW is as Inhofe says the greatest hoax the US has known (outside the Nigerian e-mail scam of course) and we try to do something about it anyway one of two things will happen IMO - 1. we'll waste some money with no benefit (not like we haven't done that before and not like we won't again) or 2. we'll spend money that leads to technological improvements that lead to higher standard of living for all (or at least most).

So I see focusing on 'fixing" GW as a win win regardless of if it is really happening or not. Though looking at the scientific evidence I think the scales heavily favor that GW is happening and man is having an accelrating affect on it.