Attn: Please Stop Citing Amnesty Int'l

[MountainHawk]

Originally Posted by Uma Karuna

If it weren't for the Iraq war, the European CIA prisons, and Guantanamo, I'd agree with you 100%.

All of which pale in comparsion to the real human rights abuses. They are wrong, but on the scale of hundred or thousands. Not the millions upon millions killed or sold into sex slavery or oppressed and silenced by many of the worlds governments.

Originally Posted by MountainHawk

All of which ple in comparsion to the real human rights abuses. They are wrong, but on the scale of hundred or thousands. Not the millions upon millions killed or sold into sex slavery or oppressed and silenced by many of the worlds governments.

I disagree that the Iraq war pales in comparison to Darfour...there are 100,000s of Iraqi's living in refugee camps in neighboring countries.

Regardless, I don't agree that AI totally ignores all human rights abuses outside those alleged of the US.

What do you think of Human Rights Watch?
http://www.hrw.org/

[MountainHawk]

Originally Posted by Uma Karuna

I disagree that the Iraq war pales in comparison to Darfour...there are 100,000s of Iraqi's living in refugee camps in neighboring countries.

Regardless, I don't agree that AI totally ignores all human rights abuses outside those alleged of the US.

I don't agree with putting a war between two nations on the same footing as the slaughter of your own citizens.

Originally Posted by MountainHawk

I don't agree with putting a war between two nations on the same footing as the slaughter of your own citizens.

You might if you felt the war was unjustified and possibly illegal.

[MountainHawk]

Originally Posted by Uma Karuna

What do you think of Human Rights Watch?
http://www.hrw.org/

I don't know much about them. They still seem over focused on the war on terror, but not as bad. They also named Bush to the Hall of Shame, but not Mugabe, but there may be other articles about it that I didn't see in my quick glance.

[MountainHawk]

Originally Posted by Uma Karuna

You might if you felt the war was unjustified and possibly illegal.

No such thing as an illegal war.

Originally Posted by MountainHawk

I don't know much about them. They still seem over focused on the war on terror, but not as bad. They also named Bush to the Hall of Shame, but not Mugabe, but there may be other articles about it that I didn't see in my quick glance.

So is there any human rights watch dog that you believe is credible?

Originally Posted by MountainHawk

No such thing as an illegal war.

Is it illegal for an administration to lie to build public support for a war?

[SamTheEagle]

Originally Posted by notreallyme

-- I don't think people that are pro-abortion are necessarily anti-human rights. Remember the main argument in abortion is you consider the embryo to be a human life (with all the same rights) at conception, some people don't agree.

I wasn't arguing that being pro-abortion is anti-human rights, I was arguing that being anti-abortion isn't anti-human rights. Amnesty International seems to be moving towards the position that legalizing abortion on demand is a human-rights issue.