Vick Indicted

[The New Face of 0 and 1]

Originally Posted by Just Another Student

Most of the uproar about this case is over the cruelty involved in killing the losing/non-aggresive dogs. If it was just a dog fighting ring without the other stuff, there would be far fewer people in an "uproar."

Decent point. Similar to non-agressive NFL players getting cut from their teams without pay in many ways.

Originally Posted by captain booger

dogs doesn't choose fighting.
owners doesn't kill football players.

Again, animals do not get to "choose" what they do. The ones who do arduous work probably do not particularly enjoy it. Medium sized to large dogs who live in small apartments would probably not "choose" such a living arrangement if they had their say. Most dogs with owners who work all day and make them sit at home alone and hold it would probably not "choose" that life for themselves.

[LifeAct]

Originally Posted by The New Face of 0 and 1

Decent point. Similar to non-agressive NFL players getting cut from their teams without pay in many ways.

Actually, it is nothing like that. Now stop being a troll and answer these questions.

Do you think that animal cruelty laws should be overturned?

Do you think that it should be legal for a person to torture and kill animals?

[Sotally Tober]

What I find really reprehensible about Vick...suppose for a moment that you have no issue with dog fighting. you think there's nothing wrong with it. Suppose further, you even think that the only proper thing to do with dogs who aren't ferocious enough to fight, is to kill them. Vick didn't go the vet and have them put down. He didn't even line them up and put bullets in their heads. He sadistically killed them, by means of different & sickening methods, to basically see what it was like for a living creature to die in such a manner. Like it was some kind of science project. IMO, that is a clear sign that Vick is a sick & twisted individual. Capable of worse? Could it escalate? Could he some day treat other human beings in a similar fashion? Honestly, I don't know. But I wouldn't doubt it. Regadless of what happens in this case, I seriously doubt this is the last we'll hear from Vick.

[Mayor Adam West]

Originally Posted by SirVLCIV

I've agreed with everything you've said in this thread, but just felt like clarifying. the 'ad hominem' fallacy has nothing to do with the truthfulness of the statement itself, but the statement doesn't further the logical argument, and merely tries to demonize the opponent's logical argument (instead of logically rebutting) by demonizing the opponent. Of course, AO discussions rarely qualify as logical debates.

Carry on

Thanks!

Originally Posted by The New Face of 0 and 1

Decent point. Similar to non-agressive NFL players getting cut from their teams without pay in many ways.

Actually, not similar in any conceivable way.

Originally Posted by The New Face of 0 and 1

Again, animals do not get to "choose" what they do. The ones who do arduous work probably do not particularly enjoy it. Medium sized to large dogs who live in small apartments would probably not "choose" such a living arrangement if they had their say. Most dogs with owners who work all day and make them sit at home alone and hold it would probably not "choose" that life for themselves.

I'm guessing that if given the choice to sit around and lick their balls all day in a small apartment, or be repeatedly slammed to the ground until they're dead, they'd probably choose the former.

Originally Posted by Sotally Tober

What I find really apprehensible about Vick...suppose for a moment that you have no issue with dog fighting. you think there's nothing wrong with it. Suppose further, you even think that the only proper thing to do with dogs who aren't ferocious enough to fight, is to kill them. Vick didn't go the vet and have them put down. He didn't even line them up and put bullets in their heads. He sadistically killed them, by means of different & sickening methods, to basically see what it was like for a living creature to die in such a manner. Like it was some kind of science project. IMO, that is a clear sign that Vick is a sick & twisted individual. Capable of worse? Could it escalate? Could he some day treat other human beings in a similar fashion? Honestly, I don't know. But I wouldn't doubt it. Regadless of what happens in this case, I seriously doubt this is the last we'll hear from Vick.

ITA.

[LifeAct]

Originally Posted by Mayor Adam West

I'm guessing that if given the choice to sit around and lick their balls all day in a small apartment, or be repeatedly slammed to the ground until they're dead, they'd probably choose the former.

you're missing the point.

herding sheep >>> living with a loving family
Therefore, dog fighting is okay.

[Mayor Adam West]

Originally Posted by LifeAct

you're missing the point.

herding sheep >>> living with a loving family
Therefore, dog fighting is okay.

Mah bad.

[SharksFan08]

Originally Posted by Sotally Tober

What I find really apprehensible about Vick...suppose for a moment that you have no issue with dog fighting. you think there's nothing wrong with it. Suppose further, you even think that the only proper thing to do with dogs who aren't ferocious enough to fight, is to kill them. Vick didn't go the vet and have them put down. He didn't even line them up and put bullets in their heads. He sadistically killed them, by means of different & sickening methods, to basically see what it was like for a living creature to die in such a manner. Like it was some kind of science project. IMO, that is a clear sign that Vick is a sick & twisted individual. Capable of worse? Could it escalate? Could he some day treat other human beings in a similar fashion? Honestly, I don't know. But I wouldn't doubt it. Regadless of what happens in this case, I seriously doubt this is the last we'll hear from Vick.

I couldn't agree more, the only issue I take with your post is that Vick hasn't yet been convicted of anything. If it's all true, then I hope they throw the book at him. But your post is missing the word "allegedly" in several places.

I'm just tired of people being tried in the court of public opinion, and on ESPN. Is John Clayton's viewpoint really relevant on this?

[UNCORRELATED LAY]

I for one am surprised that the president hasn't been in this thread cheering the killing of pit bulls.

Or at the very least recognize that these dogs are being trained to maul other animals.

[UNCORRELATED LAY]

Originally Posted by SharksFan08

I couldn't agree more, the only issue I take with your post is that Vick hasn't yet been convicted of anything. If it's all true, then I hope they throw the book at him. But your post is missing the word "allegedly" in several places.

I'm just tired of people being tried in the court of public opinion, and on ESPN. Is John Clayton's viewpoint really relevant on this?

This is ridiculous. They are public figures who earn a living off of public opinion. We have every right to form an opinion regardless of what the laws say.

[foghorn]

Originally Posted by UNCORRELATED LAY

Or at the very least recognize that these dogs are being trained to maul other animals.

These dogs do not need training to maul other animals. If anything, they are just being trained to do it better.