Help understanding a call

[nittany07]

time4sumakshun generally plays higher stakes sngs, has good results on sharkscope and is on the full tilt sng high leaderboard.

I'm not complaining since I'm actually glad he called because it actually gave me a chance to money considering I was dominated by the aq.

However, I think it's a terrible call and I just don't understand it. Considering the "supposed" quality of the player, I feel like maybe I'm missing something in my game.

Does anyone else call here as time4sumakshun?

FullTiltPoker Game #5973795129: $55 + $5 Sit & Go (Turbo) (45480124), Table 1 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:02:27 ET - 2008/04/10
Seat 2: MissSPORT____ (3,940)
Seat 4: cjoe425 (6,445)
Seat 8: Ruffian07 (2,180)
Seat 9: time4sumakshun (935)
time4sumakshun posts the small blind of 100
MissSPORT____ posts the big blind of 200
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ruffian07 [Ad 9h]
cjoe425 folds
Ruffian07 raises to 2,180, and is all in
time4sumakshun calls 835, and is all in
MissSPORT____ calls 1,980
Ruffian07 shows [Ad 9h]
time4sumakshun shows [Jh 7d]
MissSPORT____ shows [Ah Qd]
*** FLOP *** [8s Kd 7c]
*** TURN *** [8s Kd 7c] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [8s Kd 7c 5h] [8h]
Ruffian07 shows a pair of Eights
MissSPORT____ shows a pair of Eights
MissSPORT____ wins the side pot (2,490) with a pair of Eights
time4sumakshun shows two pair, Eights and Sevens
time4sumakshun wins the main pot (2,805) with two pair, Eights and Sevens
Ruffian07: rofl
Ruffian07 stands up
The blinds are now 120/240
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5,295 Main pot 2,805. Side pot 2,490. | Rake 0
Board: [8s Kd 7c 5h 8h]
Seat 2: MissSPORT____ (big blind) showed [Ah Qd] and won (2,490) with a pair of Eights
Seat 4: cjoe425 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Ruffian07 (button) showed [Ad 9h] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 9: time4sumakshun (small blind) showed [Jh 7d] and won (2,805) with two pair, Eights and Sevens

[gosuruss]

strange call

[FormLetter]

At the point where time4sdfslk made their call, they were getting (1235:835) almost 1.5:1, so they only need a 40% exp(pr(win)) for it to be +EV on a chip basis.

Were they multi-tabling. This could be a $/hr consideration on their part.

Or they had you on a large raising range. They are a coin-flip against any pair 22-66 and ~40% against two overs, right?

[SnareSound]

Seems like a bad call, especially on the bubble. He gets to see the next two hands for free. It's almost a guarantee that he gets at least one hand better than J7o and can get all his money in first. I don't care what the odds say and his pushing range for you, this is not a good call.

[win diesel]

I think this is almost close to a standard call. On bubble you want to make very loose calls against the guy you are battling with on bubble.

If you get lucky and win, that also means the other guy loses.

Here its not as clear because you will still have over 1,000 if you lose but principle is same.

My guess is that if he is a good player he never would have called the big stack. But he's happy to gamble with you. Think this is an important principle.

I gave hardinda a tongue lashing a few weeks ago when he folded 83o in a similar but more obvious calling situation.

[tesla_styx]

I'm kind of on the fence about the call. personally, i'd wait for a better situation... i truly value my first in equity.

However, assuming your range is wide enough, I can see villain thinking "I dont want the second shortest stack gaining more chips over me without resistance. If bb folds, he'll have 3x my stack. I'm going to take a shot now at crippling him before I'm relatively desperate and lifeless."

[tesla_styx]

basically what win d said except for the being standard. If villian was in BB instead (of SB) and no calls in front, it'd be more standard.

[nittany07]

Considering my previous play, he shouldn't have any reason to call me light.

Also, consider the situation - I still have over 7x bb and am not in any need to make a move - especially considering he has only 3x bb - I shouldn't be pushing light because I can see time4akshun calling a bit lighter (ace rag, low pairs) since he's short and getting decent odds.

If he's on the leaderboard, he is a serious multitabler (and like I said, he is playing below his normal levels).

Even if I'm raising only top 25%, he still has only 32% equity and is only getting 40% equity against a top 60% shoving range.

I guess you can make the argument that you need to double up but you still have 2 hands left to shove to get it in better and possibly have fold equity.

[nittany07]

Win - I totally see your point, but you still have more than 4x bb with 2 hands left before posting again. That's still enough chips to do some damage. If he had 535 after posting, I think the call is justifiable.

I also see your point about not wanting to gamble with big stack but being more willing to gamble with me, the smaller stack. Generally though, the bigger stack is pushing a wider range than I would be so it'd be a better equity call to call the big stack.

[Rhizome]

This is part of why I find SNGs to be annoying. imo.
I personally would fold this from the SB, but would call from the BB.

Also, what about the BBs call? I usually fold AQ unless both stacks are very short. However, I don't usually expect the 2nd all in to have a range that includes J7o.