Dear neutral observers, did Phil de cube put words in Bruce Schobel's mouth?

Now I generally have an open mind and at a young age of 23 I accept that I may not know everything in the world however this doesn't seem to be that difficult of a concept.

Look at this exchange in conversation, I cannot believe Bruce can sit there and say I'm putting words in his mouth. Look at the emphasis that it is "much more certain" that you will become brain surgeon in your 20s than a FSA, which is completely laughable.

Originally Posted by Phil de cube

You are quoting someone who handed a 22 year old his FSA, a career changer who got his FSA after 2.5 years of study, yet he also has made statements that the FSA credential takes as long as becoming a brain surgeon.

Originally Posted by bdschobel

You're putting words in my mouth, silly Philly. How about linking to a post?

Bruce

Originally Posted by Phil de cube

Dear Bruce,

http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actu...0&postcount=67

Regards,

Phil de cube

Here is the quote from the link:

http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actu...0&postcount=67

Originally Posted by bdschobel

You are referring to my statement about reducing travel time to FSA, which is an explicit goal of the education redesign. For more than a decade, the average age at FSA has hovered around 33. That's way too old. If I were a bright young college student trying to choose a career, I would never choose one that requires such a time investment to become fully credentialed -- not to mention how uncertain the path to FSA is. I might decide to become a brain surgeon instead -- that career path is more certain, predictable and even shorter.

The fact that our lengthy and unpredictable road to FSA discourages people from entering our profession should be self-evident. Do you have an alternative view?

Bruce

http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actu...9&postcount=56

Originally Posted by bdschobel

I totally agree with Carol. The time to reach FSA is too long. When I became an FSA in 1976, the average age was 28. That average is now 33. Although somewhat affected by late entrants, nonetheless this average has to be deeply discouraging to the bright young people whom we would like to attract to our profession. At age 20 or so, college students have a world of educational opportunities open to them, such as business school, law school, medical school, etc. In nearly every case, full qualification or credentialing occurs by the late 20s -- and it is much more certain than passing the actuarial examinations. Why do we make it so difficult to choose our profession? We simply must bring down the average age at FSA to compete effectively. Travel time can be reduced in at least three ways without weakening our historical high standards: (1) maintaining the streamlined examination system that is being implemented during 2005-07, (2) increasing the frequency of exam administration where possible and (3) acknowledging that brand-new FSAs are not expected to know everything in their practice area. No other profession has such an expectation. But this basic-education concept necessarily implies greater reliance on continuing education to maintain knowledge and skills.

Bruce

http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actu...=107586&page=2

Originally Posted by bdschobel

I am probably the strongest -- though hardly the only -- advocate for reducing travel time to FSA. I believe, as I've said a million times already, that the long and uncertain road to Fellowship discourages the very bright and capable students whom we want to attract to our profession. They go off to become brain surgeons, lawyers, whatever. If we reduce the average age at FSA, now 33, to something comparable to the age at which other professionals become fully credentialed, then we get back into the game, so to speak. That's our goal, and we will not be dissuaded, certainly not by you.

[glassjaws]

It looks like you made what Bruce said a little better by saying he compared it to brain surgeons. I would think they're out of school by the time they're 33.

[Westley]

yet he also has made statements that the FSA credential takes as long as becoming a brain surgeon.

It sure looks like he said it takes longer. ETA: "it" = FSA

Of course, it looks like he's talking about the general case, and I'm not sure if the conversation in the first three quotes was a more specific case being discussed. And, I don't care enough to look. Your level of Bruce-love is a little bit much.

Originally Posted by Westley

It sure looks like he said it takes longer. ETA: "it" = FSA

Of course, it looks like he's talking about the general case, and I'm not sure if the conversation in the first three quotes was a more specific case being discussed. And, I don't care enough to look. Your level of Bruce-love is a little bit much.

Hey Westley, I don't know how this can be taken out of context.

Originally Posted by bdschobel

For more than a decade, the average age at FSA has hovered around 33. That's way too old. If I were a bright young college student trying to choose a career, I would never choose one that requires such a time investment to become fully credentialed -- not to mention how uncertain the path to FSA is. I might decide to become a brain surgeon instead -- that career path is more certain, predictable and even shorter.

[Mystical Bunny of Destiny]

Phil is letting Bruce have it

[Dr T Non-Fan]

Mr Schobel's obsession with "travel time" or "age at FSA" is not a good thing. The observed stats are filled with stubborn people who will not quit the process.

The solution, thus, is to be more appealing to people who will quit the process when failure occurs. People enamored by corporate-speak and buzzwords like "actuarial brand" or the verb "leverage."

Your whining about it, though, is not an effective debate tactic. Maybe that strategy works on the court when playing 1-on-1 against a girl, but not here.

[Mystical Bunny of Destiny]

Did you just call Bruce a girl?

[Westley]

Originally Posted by Dr T Non-Fan

Maybe that strategy works on the court when playing 1-on-1 against a girl, but not here.

Originally Posted by Dr T Non-Fan

Mr Schobel's obsession with "travel time" or "age at FSA" is not a good thing. The observed stats are filled with stubborn people who will not quit the process.

Decent point.

Originally Posted by Dr T Non-Fan

The solution, thus, is to be more appealing to people who will quit the process when failure occurs. People enamored by corporate-speak and buzzwords like "actuarial brand" or the verb "leverage."

Random nonsense.

Originally Posted by Dr T Non-Fan

Your whining about it, though, is not an effective debate tactic.

No whining going on here. Just showing Bruce where he is wrong.

Originally Posted by Dr T Non-Fan

Maybe that strategy works on the court when playing 1-on-1 against a girl, but not here.

Its not my fault that professional female basketball players are confident and then fall flat on their face. Please stick to writing resumes.

[JMO]

I am mildly annoyed that the words in question happen to be something I used to say.