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I'm opening this thread so we can document various public pension plans that hit the rocky shoals. Via Instapundit, I saw this story on Cobb County, Georgia's underfunded pension (shout out to my old town Marietta!)
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Editorial in WSJ today: San Diego Retirement
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Another:
http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/28044624.html Nevada: Quote:
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Mary, I assume you've read at least some of these http://www.actuary.org/events/2008/forum_statements.asp
How can they really say with a straight face that "governments don't go out of business" (so they should be exempt from reporting MVL)? Or that reporting MVL automatically means not investing in equities? Seems to me that if their actuaries put them up to to those statements, or participating in drafting them, that "the profession" may well deserve the beating that might come.
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Well, I posted all these article links before reading those statements. (Quite a few to get through.)
Part of posting these various articles is to dispute that "governments don't go out of business" argument amongst other arguments. There are various degrees of things that undermine that statement - I've seen towns unincorporate before (though usually small), but the failure of a public pension would come far before that. There's no such thing as infinite taxing power. Even if they could tax 100%, there would be a limit on the amount of money that would bring in. But of course, well before that mark, people would just move away. I saw the idiotic "exit tax" idea in California (I would think that's unconstitutional but IANAL), but really towns and states can't keep people from leaving. I am not a pension actuary. I do not know all the details in doing pension work. I do know theory, but I understand some people disagree with theory. These theory arguments can be futile, when we're dealing with what-ifs that some people dispute could even come into being. I want to (for now) stick to compiling what is actually happening in real life. What are the actual consequences of the funding decisions made (whether or not actuaries are involved in that), in the valuation of the liabilities (and if certain items are treated as if they were costless)...really nitty-gritty stuff of what the current state of practice has gotten us. |
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Pennsylvania treasurer calls for municipal pension plan reform (most of the comments sound more like dealing with administration "Most of the state's 3,100 municipal pension plans serve fewer than 10 employees." and wanting to consolidate plans, not funding issues.)
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Roger Lowenstein recenty published a great book on this topic:
While America Aged: How Pension Debts Ruined General Motors, Stopped the NYC Subways, Bankrupted San Diego, and Loom as the Next Financial Crisis http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594201676/
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That book is reviewed in the current issue of Contingencies.
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Now this news:
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I wonder if this extends to public employee pension plans.
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Mary Pat - TTIA, thanks for putting all these posts together in one place.
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