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Old 09-03-2003, 08:27 AM
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Even if that was your point, you are insinuating something else. If you feel that Pollard's treatment was equitable, why do you keep quoting it as though there was wrongdoing? If you feel that Jose Padilla is being given unfair treatment as an American citizen, why do you lump him together with foreign terrorists? If you would like to make a post attacking Padilla's treatment, make a link to http://www.chargepadilla.org/ without the Pollard references. I wouldn't even have a problem with the Pollard reference if not for the immediate mention of religion. It is clear to me that Pollard has not received preferential treatment due to his religion or anything else. It is also clear to me that 17 years have separated the arrests of Padilla and Pollard; it is my opinion that this, more than anything else, causes the difference in their treatment. That, and the fact that Padilla was captured with a bomb in an airport . . .
I think it's political.
Do you think Pollard would be in this position today if he gave those secrets to any country other than Israel?
1987 would've been the last we saw of Pollard.
The media coverage may be political; in principal, a parole hearing after 18 years in solitary isn't unusual.
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Old 09-03-2003, 07:00 PM
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Pollard, 49, was a civilian intelligence analyst for the Navy when he gave to his Israeli handlers enough classified documents to fill a walk-in closet. He was not paid when his spying began in 1984, but acknowledged that Israel later began paying him a few thousand dollars a month.

His case has been a sticking point in U.S.-Israeli relations. The Israeli government, which granted Pollard citizenship, repeatedly has pressed for his release.

His case was reviewed by federal officials in 2000 but he was left off the list of those granted clemency just before then-President Clinton left office. CIA Director George Tenet had told Clinton he would quit if Pollard were freed.

The Israeli government has continued to press the issue with the Bush administration.

"We are using all our efforts to get him released," Raanan Gissin, a spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, said Tuesday.

Pollard's appeal centers on whether his two previous lawyers did all they could to help him avoid or appeal his life sentence, and whether his new lawyers should be able to see classified material that may have helped sway the judge who sentenced Pollard.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Steven Pelak said Pollard has not proven a need to know what is in the documents.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C96294%2C00.html

Did the article just say Pollard was given Israeli citizenship AFTER spying on the USA?
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Hey EB -

You a fan of Pollard? I just noticed you're new sig.
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Old 03-09-2006, 04:21 PM
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Really?! no. Spies are scum. If his actions in fact led to US deaths -- which I find hard to credit -- then he can rot.

On the plus side, he's living the good life -- except for no computers, bad food and no liberty.

minus -- he's the example of why you don't take chances.

He's a lot less bitter than some of us who are free.
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We don't execute spies so they won't execute theirs - why would they spy on us anyways? We need to tell them to f-off an handle their own problems.
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Really?! no. Spies are scum. If his actions in fact led to US deaths -- which I find hard to credit -- then he can rot.
So if he spied and no Americans died, you're cool with that?
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We don't execute spies so they won't execute theirs - why would they spy on us anyways? We need to tell them to f-off an handle their own problems.
We have executed spies.
Not sure why they'd spy on us. Maybe to make sure we invade Iran.
See the AIPAC spy scandal.
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Not sure why they'd spy on us.
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Whether Guantanamo is only for Muslims or not is irrelevant. Pollard should have been executed as well as the numerous other spies that have been busted over the last 10-20 years.
This is not what the law states. Lifetime for espionage during peacetime, death during wartime. Your are, of course, entitled to your own opinion.
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We don't execute spies so they won't execute ours- why would they spy on us anyways? We need to tell them to f-off an handle their own problems.
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'Their' problems are our selling sophisticated weapons to 'their' enemies.
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