Jesus wedding shower on abc tonight

[Sunny]

Originally Posted by Todd

I was also wondering if you can receive the baptism of the Spirit without water.

Is this a question?

[Sunny]

Originally Posted by Six-time Course 4 Loser

Baptism of the spirit does not require water. In the LDS faith, it is a separate ceremony involving the laying on of hands.

Baptism by the Holy Spirit is something Jesus does according to the Scripture, not something any human being can do without God doing so through Christ. So you are a LDS six-timer!

I don't ever get this baptism by water of the dead thing. Where do you support this in the Scripture anywhere?!?! :o

[Mel-o-rama]

A couple of extra little ditties:

One thing to realize is that baptism for the dead doesn't automatically save a "dead" person. A Mormon can perform the ordinance on behalf of a dead person, but that dead person needs to accept it (so to speak) in order for it to be valid. I never heard that Hitler was dead-baptized. That's an interesting thought with interesting connotations. Maybe it was done to give him a chance, knowing he would reject. Supposedly, someone who rejects is in bigger trouble than someone who didn't have the chance. I don't know - can you baptize someone to condemn them? It sounds funny.

Also, I've learned from Mormon Sunday School (maybe 6-Time has heard this too), that there are two groups of people who do not need water-baptism. One is all those who die before the age of accountability. The other is those who lived without "law" (where there is no law, there is no sin). With that in mind, would the thief need to be baptized if he was clueless until he died on the cross next to Jesus?

[Paul Brand]

There's a couple of issues I'm still unclear with.

1)Say the thief was baptized after death, are we talking both water and Spirit baptism when we say baptism of the dead?

2)What Scripture is there to say that baptism is a contractual agreement (figuratively speaking)?

3)How does one receive the Holy Spirit without first being justified before God? Can the Spirit enter a body that is "unclean"? I'm assuming that any and all sin makes as unclean until the time justification or redemption takes place.

[Paul Brand]

Originally Posted by Supersonic

Is this a question?

Yeah I forgot the question mark. But, I'm not asking for my own practise, but to understand what Mormons believe.

[Paul Brand]

Originally Posted by Supersonic

Baptism by the Holy Spirit is something Jesus does according to the Scripture, not something any human being can do without God doing so through Christ. So you are a LDS six-timer!

I don't ever get this baptism by water of the dead thing. Where do you support this in the Scripture anywhere?!?! :o

They get it from 1Cor 15:29. "Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them?"

I don't agree with their interpretation, but that is where they get the doctrine from.

[Paul Brand]

Originally Posted by Mel-o-rama

A couple of extra little ditties:

One thing to realize is that baptism for the dead doesn't automatically save a "dead" person. A Mormon can perform the ordinance on behalf of a dead person, but that dead person needs to accept it (so to speak) in order for it to be valid. I never heard that Hitler was dead-baptized. That's an interesting thought with interesting connotations. Maybe it was done to give him a chance, knowing he would reject. Supposedly, someone who rejects is in bigger trouble than someone who didn't have the chance. I don't know - can you baptize someone to condemn them? It sounds funny.

Also, I've learned from Mormon Sunday School (maybe 6-Time has heard this too), that there are two groups of people who do not need water-baptism. One is all those who die before the age of accountability. The other is those who lived without "law" (where there is no law, there is no sin). With that in mind, would the thief need to be baptized if he was clueless until he died on the cross next to Jesus?

There really weren't any serious connotations with the Hitler comment. I was just wondering what you thought about it.

I think we tend to agree with the accountability issue. I'm unaware of any places where "law" is non-existent. I think it's in everyone's nature to live by law.

[Paul Brand]

I've got another question (sorry if I'm posting too quickly). Let's say that I lived a rather good Christian life. However, I have heard the Mormon doctrine, read all the Mormon Scriptures, and had a good overview of what Mormons believe. Let's say further that I also rejected Mormon doctrine debated against it and considered Mormonism heresy. Let's say even further that one day I die, I realize the folly of my reasoning and desperately want to get right with God. Will I be offered to receive baptism of the dead after I die?

[Reaper Temp Agency]

Long shower, he must be pruning by now.

[cubedbee]

Baptism for the dead is definitely an old doctrine, not exclusively Mormon. Whatever you believe about the intepretation of Paul's verse, certain ancient churches practiced baptism for the dead, and continue to do so to this day.

http://www.fairlds.org/apol/misc/misc23.html