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Old 09-20-2011, 12:39 PM
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It's pretty flawed. There are lots of ways to get weight off of the ground.
What if I add the caveat that you lift a lot of weight on a consistent basis without injuring yourself?

Any better?
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A little better. There is a certain amount of "it's you're not doing it really wrong, it's right".

A lot of very good strength and conditioning coaches introduce the Olympic lifts and will let the athletes continue with imperfect form because the benefits are substantial, and as long as they are not risking injury, the deviation from perfect form is insignificant.

I understand that logic. I am somewhere in between; I teach people until their form is good, though maybe not technically perfect.

On squats, however, I enforce perfect form. On DLs and OLs, you can simply drop the weight if you feel something that doesn't seem right. On squats...no such luck. So when I work with new people, I don't permit them to get to heavy squats until their form is perfect.
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There are plenty of youtube videos of scrawny teens deadlifting tons of weight with form so bad it makes you wonder how they survived. It's possible to lift a lot of weight with terrible form... at least for a while before you injure yourself.

ETA: here are 2 examples http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0ySblouCKs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9TVF...eature=related
wow. i've seen the first one before, but not the second.
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A little better. There is a certain amount of "it's you're not doing it really wrong, it's right".

A lot of very good strength and conditioning coaches introduce the Olympic lifts and will let the athletes continue with imperfect form because the benefits are substantial, and as long as they are not risking injury, the deviation from perfect form is insignificant.

I understand that logic. I am somewhere in between; I teach people until their form is good, though maybe not technically perfect.

On squats, however, I enforce perfect form. On DLs and OLs, you can simply drop the weight if you feel something that doesn't seem right. On squats...no such luck. So when I work with new people, I don't permit them to get to heavy squats until their form is perfect.
That makes sense.

I am really just trying to see how I can know I am using good form on DLs (I know its bad on most other things, so I don't have to worry about it).

I can do a decent amount of weight, and I never feel like it hurts in places it shouldn't hurt (during the lift, or the next day). So I just assume I am using good enough form.

On occassion, especially at lighter weights for some reason, I can feel that I am bending at my back. I will hurt way too much up through my lower back. I can feel it after one set that I am doing it. I assume that this is the case for other aspects of bad form, in general. Although, who's to say I couldn;t get used to doing them that way, and stop noticing it after a while.


The fact that this happens at lower weights made me think that if I did it at higher weights, I simply wouldn't be able to lift the weight, or it would hurt so bad during the lift that I'd bail. So I assumed I simply had to use better form to do the higher weight.

However, it may just be that I would do lower weights for a warm up, and I would notice the problem then, and correct it before I got to heavier weight. That actually makes a lot of sense, and I am not sure why I never thought of it before.
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Those videos are insane. It looks nothing like that. For starters I never jerk at the weight. I always take the slack off the bar and feel the tension in my hamstrings. It was not great, but nothing crazy like that.
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wow. i've seen the first one before, but not the second.
That first guy doesn't appear to have much weight on the bar. The 2nd guy it's hard to tell. They may all be 45's (405 lbs), but 3 plates look smaller, maybe 35's (345 lbs).

In any case, I KNOW I don't do anything like that. I definitely move floor to standing in one continuous, smooth motion. No bouncing. No jerking.

At least I have that going for me.
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That first guy doesn't appear to have much weight on the bar. The 2nd guy it's hard to tell. They may all be 45's (405 lbs), but 3 plates look smaller, maybe 35's (345 lbs).

In any case, I KNOW I don't do anything like that. I definitely move floor to standing in one continuous, smooth motion. No bouncing. No jerking.

At least I have that going for me.
I didn't think you or Ricky would be doing that stupid crap. But there are people that do, and even if it's "only" 345 I still think it's amazing people can stand/walk after lifting like that.
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I didn't think you or Ricky would be doing that stupid crap. But there are people that do, and even if it's "only" 345 I still think it's amazing people can stand/walk after lifting like that.
Oh, no. I think 345 is a decent amount of weight. I thought that was a pretty good example of getting up the weight with bad form.

If the guy was bigger, maybe not. But that seemed to be a good amount of weight for his size.

ETA: and I agree. I am not sure how you do that without hurting yourself. You might get away with it a few times. Eventually, something as got to give (or snap).
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I have yet to be injured from weightlifting since starting a year ago..if that's worth anything.
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Ran a 6:20 mile yesterday.

After interval workout for over 4 miles.

Pretty happy with that.

Lifted last night. Nothing special other than 3x4x115 power cleans.
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