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I'm not sure I fully understand what a "flat benefit' is (in the context of safe harbor formulas, 1.401(a)(4)-4(b)(4)(i)(C)(2)).
The regulation goes on to specify that a flat benefit is one that: Quote:
Example1 in the same section of the regulation goes as follows: Quote:
As for how the plan satisfies the safe harbor rules, the example shows that the smallest annual accrual (for employees with 33 years of service) is 1.212%, while the largest is 1.6%, and 1.6/1.212 = 1.32 < 1.333, so the safe harbor rule of section (b)(4)(i)(C)(1) is satisfied. But isn't it also true (and easier to show) that (b)(4)(i)(C)(2) is satisfied? Can't I describe the benefit as 40% of average annual compensation, with a pro rata reduction for employee's with fewer than 25 years of service at normal retirement age? I'm just looking for confirmation that this is true, or clarification as to why such formulas do not satisfy safe harbor rule (2) since I would think more of the regulation's examples, and Farber's problems would use this rule to satisfy safe harbor as to me it seems easier. Thanks |
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Last edited by davefarber; 02-11-2011 at 11:34 PM.. |
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Thanks for confirming my understanding of the rule. When a formula has no bend points in it, this is the first thing I check. No need to bring ratios into the mix.
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Note: When I originally posted, I had the wrong citation. What I cited was from 1.401(a)(4)-3, not 1.401(a)(4)-4.
I'm making my second pass through my study manual, and have a follow-up question to this topic. Farber's practice question 44 includes the following formula: Quote:
The solution shows that in the worst case (33 years of accrual service), the annual accrual is 15% / 33 years = 0.455%. In the best case (a participant with no more than 15 years of accrual service), the annual accrual is 1%. Clearly 1% is more than 4/3 times the 0.455% accrual, and therefore the safe harbor described in 1.401(a)(4)-3(b)(4)(i)(C)(1) (the 133 1/3 rule) is not satisfied. However, using the same logic as in the previous post, I could restate this formula as a flat benefit formula: 15% of the highest consecutive 3-year average compensation with a pro-rata reduction for service less than 15 years. This formula accrues over less than 25 years, so safe harbor (2) is not available. However, safe harbor (3) still appears available to me. Of course, to determine whether or not safe harbor (3) is satisfied, information would need to be provided to compare the average benefit percentages under the formula for NCHEs and HCEs. This information is not given, so in an exam situation, I would be okay saying the formula does not satisfy safe harbor. But safe harbor (3) (flat benefit, passes an average benefit percentage test) is still available, correct? If the formula had any bend points in it, I believe that would cease to be the case. Thanks, Jason |
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I think i am missing someting to!
Question 39 ( of Dave's outline) Which of the following are safe harbor benefit formulas (each accrued using the fractional rule over all years of service) under IRC section 401(a)(4)? I. 1.00% of highest consecutive 3-year average compensation for each of the first 15 years of service the answer was: Formula I: A participant with 15 years or fewer of total service will accrue 1% of average compensation per year. In the worst case, a participant with 33 years of service will have an accrual of: (1% × 15 years)/33 years = 0.455% The 1% accrual is more than 133 1/3% of the 0.455% accrual, so the safe harbor rules are not satisfied for formula I. The formula though look very front loaded and it looks to me like it satisfies the 133.33% rule under section 411(b) -one of the safe harbors under IRS regulation 1.401(a)(4)-3(b)-therefore is a safe harbor formula! what i am missing? Thank you |
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Thank you Dave
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