Sportscaster fired for supporting traditional marriage

[Gyudon]

Originally Posted by erosewater

Maybe you agree with that, but many religious people don't, and the official doctrine of many religions does not either. So spare me the poor persecuted religious people nonsense.

For example, maybe some individual Mormons are tolerant of gay people, but they belong to an organization (which in most cases also means providing financial support) that actively works to discriminate against them. So they don't get to play the woe is me card.

[erosewater]

Originally Posted by Standtall

And we all know that all Mormons are the same right?

If you're mormon you contribute financially to an organization that actively works to discriminate against gay people. Whether not you agree with it you are part of it. People can leave a religion if they disagree with the doctrine.

[erosewater]

If I really like pointy hats so I join the kkk I can't whine about being called racist

[Entropy]

Originally Posted by Standtall

And we all know that all Mormons are the same right?

None of them can come up with a good reason to not allow gays to marry each other?

[Standtall]

Originally Posted by erosewater

If you're mormon you contribute financially to an organization that actively works to discriminate against gay people. Whether not you agree with it you are part of it. People can leave a religion if they disagree with the doctrine.

Maybe they like the dances?



If I found some NAACP types standing outside a voting station carrying bats, would being a member of the NAACP or contributing towards it mean you actively wished to intimidate voters?

I bet there are a lot of Mormons that don't care much about gay marriage either way. I would even bet there are gay Mormons!

Just because you disagree with even a main point of a group's beliefs doesn't mean you are not a bigot when you paint them all with the same brush.

[Standtall]

Originally Posted by Entropy

None of them can come up with a good reason to not allow gays to marry each other?

They think it's icky and they don't want it done in their name?

How do you feel about a father marrying his now over 18 yr old daughter? (Or step daughter if you don't want the genetic issues or you can assume no babies)

(Yeah I went there)

[Entropy]

Originally Posted by Standtall

They think it's icky and they don't want it done in their name?

How do you feel about a father marrying his now over 18 yr old daughter? (Or step daughter if you don't want the genetic issues or you can assume no babies)

(Yeah I went there)

I don't how it would be done "in their name". Since when does anyone have a monopoly on the term "marriage"?

Have fun being there by yourself.

[Standtall]

Originally Posted by Entropy

I don't how it would be done "in their name". Since when does anyone have a monopoly on the term "marriage"?

Have fun being there by yourself.

Well I learned earlier that if you choose to be a member of something a church, a Country etc... then if the organization you belong to believes in it, then you do too, right?

So as soon as the Feds recognize gay marriage or force Utah too, then Utahnians (Utes?) are basically pro-gay marriage, right?

Which is it then? Can you be an American and disagree with some of the laws your country passes? Can you be a Mormon and disagree with some of the causes your church fights for?

[Entropy]

Originally Posted by Standtall

Well I learned earlier that if you choose to be a member of something a church, a Country etc... then if the organization you belong to believes in it, then you do too, right?

So as soon as the Feds recognize gay marriage or force Utah too, then Utahnians (Utes?) are basically pro-gay marriage, right?

Which is it then? Can you be an American and disagree with some of the laws your country passes? Can you be a Mormon and disagree with some of the causes your church fights for?

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of people out there that don't agree with the beliefs of the institutions they are a part of. I am not sure why they would continue to be a part of that institution, or at the least attempt to change it. However, not doing so would make them posers, and it makes no sense to me why anyone would put up with that either. What is your point?

Seems to me that some groups have an agenda, and if that agenda is hateful or discriminatory, then it and its members should be called out for it. Members are free to explain how it is not hateful or discriminatory, or leave the group that exemplifies those beliefs, but I'm not sure they should jump straight to playing the victim card without at least attempting to explaim themselves.

Originally Posted by Standtall

If I found some NAACP types standing outside a voting station carrying bats, would being a member of the NAACP or contributing towards it mean you actively wished to intimidate voters?

if that's the first you knew of it, of course not. If the NAACP develops a reputation for routinely intimidating voters and you remain a member, then yes, you may expect to be accused of supporting voter intimidation.

Originally Posted by Standtall

I bet there are a lot of Mormons that don't care much about gay marriage either way. I would even bet there are gay Mormons!

Sure. There was a closeted gay Mormon who used to post here. (Perhaps he still does under some other ID.) I've even met a gay ex-Mormon in the flesh. Mormons have lots of gay kids. (a corollary of having a lot of kids.) It's probably one of the reasons their teens have an unusually high suicide rate. The Catholics disapprove of homosexuality, but at least you can be a gay Catholic and be a priest or something; they have socially acceptable ways to deal with people who don't want to marry a member of the opposite sex and make babies together. Mormons don't really have that. My understanding is that to be a really good Mormon, you need to marry in the Mormon church and have kids. (or at least try to.)

Originally Posted by Standtall

Just because you disagree with even a main point of a group's beliefs doesn't mean you are not a bigot when you paint them all with the same brush.

Depends on the group and the brush. If you say that all members of PETA support animal's rights, you are reasonably close to accurate. Close enough, anyhow. Religions are a little different than "a group", though, because most people inherit it from their parents, and it's very hard to leave a religion. That may mean leaving your family and all your childhood friends. I generally don't hold it against people if they remain active in a religion they don't really believe in, or a religion they support in some ways but reject in others.

But for what it's worth, most of the posters here who currently identify as Mormons also take a public stance against gay marriage, and I haven't seen any one here who identifies as both Mormon and pro-gay-marriage.