Hiring "don'ts"

[annuitize]

Originally Posted by Carnifex

True....... But in reality I had a phone interview with A local company I was very interested in cuz they are local. There were 2 openings, one was E.L the other an Associate (1-3 yrs). I have a year of experience (consulting) w 4 exams, & a 3.2 math grad. I was asked my exam scores & if I ever failed. I had 1 fail on MLC, which I then passed 2nd try w a 7. The rest of my scores were 8's & 7's. I then received a letter in the mail saying that they "can't pursue my candidacy". Didn't even make it to the phone interview with an actuary. I just received an offer from one of if not the biggest consulting firms & another offer from non actuarial finance position. I seriously am thinking about writing a letter to this company & let them know they have a flawed screening process that is more like a game of "Dice".

Don't write letters to companies telling them that they're interviewing process sucks. You have NOTHING to gain from this, trust me on this one.

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Originally Posted by maram1

this not very funny, why would he not interview the candidate who he is dissatisfied with now??

They don't let me interview people. I wouldn't want to be the interviewer either. I don't think that surprises anyone.

[maram1]

Originally Posted by annuitize

Don't write letters to companies telling them that they're interviewing process sucks. You have NOTHING to gain from this, trust me on this one.

I've done that, now trying to get the company to hire me. Any way I can have them forgive and forget about it? Seems like they wont.

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Originally Posted by ditkaworshipper

Um...I don't think it's that hard to gauge this stuff unless you don't know how to talk to people. Given annuitize hasn't spoken of his other EL coworkers very highly and also that he got hired there and nowhere else (no offense man, but I don't imagine you're great at interviewing), there's some strong evidence that they just suck at interviewing at that one company.

If you're projecting this onto the entire industry, then I think you need to learn how to use a proper sample size. Most companies I interviewed with did not actually involve HR in any level of the decision making from what I could tell.

I only ever talked about this guy. Every complaint I made in the past X months was directly towards him; no one else.

I don't interview people, nor am I good at being interviewed. However, I am a hard worker, and people at my company look to me to provide them with answers a lot.

[annuitize]

Originally Posted by maram1

I've done that, now trying to get the company to hire me. Any way I can have them forgive and forget about it? Seems like they wont.

I made that same mistake once too... They don't forget/forgive, and if you're not careful, they could tell another insurance companies in their area, and you'll be blacklisted there as well... I understand you're angry... Go beat up somebody weaker than you

[maram1]

Originally Posted by annuitize

I made that same mistake once too... They don't forget/forgive, and if you're not careful, they could tell another insurance companies in their area, and you'll be blacklisted there as well... I understand you're angry... Go beat up somebody weaker than you

yes I learnt but this was years ago...wish they would realize I am sorry about it. I was an idiot (still a bit now, but much worse then).

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Originally Posted by cincinnatikid

If one of my employees came up to me with a year-long laundry list of issues that they had built up on an employee, but hadn't discussed these issues with me or with the employee directly, I would be much angrier with the employee making the list than the incompetent employee.

Why? See, I'm not good with in-person confrontation. I made a few mistakes at my internship, and I learned from that; I think. I don't want to lose my job because I suck at interviewing and I will have a hard time finding another one. Believe it or not, I'm afraid, very afraid, and I try to keep very quiet at work about my real thoughts.

[ditkaworshipper]

Originally Posted by annuitize

I only ever talked about this guy. Every complaint I made in the past X months was directly towards him; no one else.

I don't interview people, nor am I good at being interviewed. However, I am a hard worker, and people at my company look to me to provide them with answers a lot.

OK, so you admit that you can't interview people and you're complaining about the results? Sorry, no sympathy here on that one.

On a positive note, you are seeing good reasons to develop your people skills. It's important to be able to judge what you can get out of people and to interact at a level that they will want to work for/with you, or else you will end up with a lot of situations like this guy throughout your career.

Of course, maybe you like consistent 55-60 hour weeks from picking up slack.

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Originally Posted by maram1

yes I learnt but this was years ago...wish they would realize I am sorry about it. I was an idiot (still a bit now, but much worse then).

the interviewing process sucks. it's unfair, and the most qualified candidate rarely gets the job. it comes down to the biggest bullshitter, and i don't think anyone can deny that... my theory is that this is a bump in the road, and in the end, the bullshitters will be found out, and the socially awkward smart people will rise above!

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Originally Posted by ditkaworshipper

OK, so you admit that you can't interview people and you're complaining about the results? Sorry, no sympathy here on that one.

On a positive note, you are seeing good reasons to develop your people skills. It's important to be able to judge what you can get out of people and to interact at a level that they will want to work for/with you, or else you will end up with a lot of situations like this guy throughout your career.

Of course, maybe you like consistent 55-60 hour weeks from picking up slack.

I didn't interview the guy, other people did. However, if I did interview him, I guarentee I wouldn't have liked him. I fixed the 55-60 hour work weeks; they're down to 45-50 hours. Instead of having him "assist me" with my monthly reports, I transfered ownership of them to him. They're so watered down with documentation and automation that he should be able to do them, yet he somehow finds a way to mess up every step. In the workbooks, there's basic macros, vlookup, index, match, offset, indirect, arrays, pivot tables, SQL, ifs, conditional format, etc. I'm not trying to say I'm an expert at computers, but there's enough good stuff available for him to use as a learning aide if he actually cared about learning. You would think he would take the time to actually understand what's going on when he presses buttons, but no, he's a lazy f*ck. Now he's solely accountable for his failure, and I look forward to him making a major mistake because it will happen. Meanwhile, I get to do the stuff I've been wanting to do for a while 1.) research and fix known deficiencies in our standard processes and 2.) research and solve known data errors.