Occupy Wall Street

[NoName]

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/o...ticle-1.969320

Interesting (alleged) tactics by the NYPD.

The watch, though, has only powers of persuasion and pressure to try and enforce the rules, and no way to remove people from a public park. The police, whom many occupiers see as the enemy and who work under a mayor who’s made no secret of his distaste for the occupiers, have little reason to help them maintain order, and rarely seem to have entered the park over the last week for anything short of an assault. When officers have gone in, a wave of people carrying drugs (or with other reasons to fear arrest) moves away from them while others circle tightly around, cameras out. Even when organizers have requested their intervention, police enter to a mixed chorus of “brutality” and “pig” calls side by side with chanted reminders that “you are the 99%.”

But while officers may be in a no-win situation, at the mercy of orders carried on shifting political winds and locked into conflict with a so-far almost entirely non-violent protest movement eager to frame the force as a symbol of the oppressive system they’re fighting, the NYPD seems to have crossed a line in recent days, as the park has taken on a darker tone with unsteady and unstable types suddenly seeming to emerge from the woodwork. Two different drunks I spoke with last week told me they’d been encouraged to “take it to Zuccotti” by officers who’d found them drinking in other parks, and members of the community affairs working group related several similar stories they’d heard while talking with intoxicated or aggressive new arrivals.

The NYPD’s press office declined to comment on the record about any such policy, but it seems like a logical tactic from a Bloomberg administration that has done its best to make things difficult for the occupation — a way of using its openness against it.

“He’s got a right to express himself, you’ve got a right to express yourself,” I heard three cops repeat in recent days, using nearly identical language, when asked to intervene with troublemakers inside the park, including a clearly disturbed man screaming and singing wildly at 3 a.m. for the second straight night.

“The first time I’ve heard cops mention our First Amendment rights,” cracked one occupier after hearing a lieutenant read off of that apparent script.

“A lot of you people smell,” a waggish cop shot back later after an occupier asked if he might be able to help find more appropriate accommodations for a particularly pungent and out-of-sorts homeless man.

“The police are saying ‘it’s a free for all at Zuccotti so you can go there,’” said Daniel Zetah, a member of several working groups including community affairs. “Which makes our job harder and harder because the ratio is worse and worse.”

[erosewater]

Originally Posted by NoName's article

the park has taken on a darker tone

[raininharlem]

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[FormLetter]

Hamsterdam?

[Harry]

Let's pretend like this is a serious actuarial forum for a moment and consider the insurance issues. We know this is going to end badly. There will be lawsuits. And I'm betting the park owners and the city will be held liable and get stuck paying off these losers.

The Occupy Wall Street movement, which is ongoing and has now spread to a number of cities across the United States, will test both public and private entities when claims start rolling in, according to a risk-management expert.

While most cities are accustomed to demonstrations, they may not be prepared for an ongoing movement like OWS, says Lori Seidenberg, a member of the Risk and Insurance Management Society’s board of directors, serving as board liaison to the society’s Standards & Practices Committee.

“Something like this could not have been anticipated by any risk manager,” Seidenberg says. “I know there is always a chance of a gathering in a park, but I don’t think a prolonged occupation was on anybody’s radar.”

Seidenberg, also vice president of enterprise risk management for Centerline Capital Group in Manhattan, notes that while the perception is that Zuccotti park is a public space, it is owned by a private organization. “I can’t think that even they thought this would happen,” she says, pointing out that at any time, “the private owners can technically pull the plug on this.”

The reason they haven’t, she says, is that the owners don’t want a negative outcome, or appear to be unsympathetic to occupiers, “even though it’s causing them a lot of grief.”

As well as impacting the park itself, she says the protest has a big impact on local businesses. For example, even though portable johns are set up, there are not enough of them, meaning that protesters frequently request the use the facilities of nearby businesses.

This creates more potential for injuries on their premises and for loss of income, she says, adding, “I know a lot of businesses down there are hurting because the usual Wall St. regulars who eat in the restaurants are staying away. So they have contingent business-interruption loss.”
But even though they may be losing money, their loss of business is something that most likely would not be covered by their insurance policies, she explains, as the loss is not the result of government or civil authority.

“I think this is going to challenge some coverages, if people can’t get to the area or choose not to go there, or if it gets so bad that the city closes the park for health reasons. There is a lot of gray area in coverage and it should be interesting to see what the carriers decide,” she says.

And with potential liability issues, Seidenberg says there are more gray areas. Should someone be injured, such as a demonstrator, area employee or resident, “it is a privately owned park, so you would think the first recourse would be against the park owners, but definitely the city is involved.” She wonders if there is an indemnity agreement between the city and the park to provide coverage or pick up any claims made by the public.

Another consideration is that if a protester is injured on another person’s property, would the park owner be liable for that as well?

And if the occupiers are injured, but are there voluntarily, can they be held responsible for their own actions, or would they be able to follow the letter of the law and sue the property’s owner?

“Usually the intention of general liability is to cover accidental things that policyholders are responsible for,” Seidenberg says. “And you have to prove some level of negligence as well. But if this is something that can’t be anticipated, then you can’t really establish negligent or sudden and accidental.”

If sued, would the park owner in turn be able to sue the city?
“I definitely think there is going to be subrogation potential and they will pursue subrogation to recoup costs—not just for lawsuits, but to maintain the park, and after they leave, to clean it up,” she says, noting that the OWS site has become a tent city consisting of a medical tent, media tent, food tent and more.

She adds that some local residents are also having difficulties. “I’ve heard of cases where the protesters have damaged personal property. I also understand there have been confrontations [between protesters and local residents],” she says.

Public workers also are at risk. “The police who are there are being subjected to things day after day. Their public health and safety is in question,” she says.

“I think you’ll start to see lawsuits coming from the people occupying Wall St. as well, and at what point do you determine liability?” she asks. “Is it something they caused themselves or was there an expectation that the police would protect them from certain things?”

http://www.propertycasualty360.com/2...t=loss-control

[panther]

Originally Posted by FormLetter

Hamsterdam?

tommy carcetti

[glassjaws]

I would guess this has been posted, but if not, the flow chart is kind of amusing.

http://www.nycga.net/resources/declaration/

[Len Myers]

Originally Posted by llcooljabe

If this is "taken over by the fringe", I'd say the tea party needs even more fringe.

[Pseudolus]

Originally Posted by Len Myers

If this is "taken over by the fringe", I'd say the tea party needs even more fringe.

"OCCUPY THE ALTERNATE UNIVERSE!"

"MASSIVE DYNAMICS GETS $ BILLIONS TO ENTOMB AMERICANS IN AMBER!"

"YADDA YADDA SOMETHING WALTERNATE SOMETHING!"

[Whiskey]

Originally Posted by Pseudolus

"OCCUPY THE ALTERNATE UNIVERSE!"

"MASSIVE DYNAMICS GETS $ BILLIONS TO ENTOMB AMERICANS IN AMBER!"

"YADDA YADDA SOMETHING WALTERNATE SOMETHING!"

[Baron Von Raschke]

http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/

Summary: Harvard OWS sympathizers conduct planned walkout of Mankiw's Econ 10 class "[because it] represents the ideology that brought about our current economic situation". 5-10% of the class participates. Mankiw defenders take their place in class.

Ironically, the topic of the lecture turned out to be...

Spoiler:

the distribution of income, including the growing gap between the top 1 percent and the bottom 99 percent. I am sorry the protesters will miss it.