The end of White America

[Pseudolus]

Originally Posted by llcooljabe

So america cannot survive without whites? Is that what Patty is saying?

I don't speak for Patty B, but what I would say would go something like:

"America (qua America) cannot survive without certain cultural instincts and attitudes that originated in white Anglo-Euros who emigrated to this country a helluva long time ago. Those I&A can be internalized by people of any race, but this takes time - and some confidence on the part of the assimilating/acculturating nation. As the number of people in and entering the country increases, and as our own confidence in asserting that immigrants must gain those I&A decreases, the very qualities that make America such a special nation and that have drawn immigrants here begin to fade away."

[Academic Actuary]

Originally Posted by ShebaPoe

I'm not a math donkey; I leave that sort of commodity, low-level skill to people like you, or the Asians that will in time replace you for 1/9 the wage. I know how to exclude immigration to Arab countries (and among former USSR satellites), and do some critical thinking, and come to the conclusion that the current immigration policies in the US are a net negative.

Exclude every country in the world except for western Europe, Canada, and Australia and the sum exceeds the U.S. total, but what do facts matter.

You are correct in that immigration has reduced the value of a mathematics professor, but not quite to the extent that you have describe. The reality is that math, science and engineering departments wouldn't be able to function without immigration. I'm also sure that many tech companies would have trouble meeting their needs. I'm sure that if we sealed the borders the market would adjust so that in a couple of decades we would produce enough docorates in technical fields.

[Smart Actuary]

Originally Posted by The Left

Written by Pat Buchanan.
http://townhall.com/columnists/patbu...ica/page/full/

I was going to seriously think and post a reply until I read the last line. Totally lost credibility after that for me.

[Smart Actuary]

Well, I'll reply seriously anyway.

I think that overall thus far America has benefited from immigration.

But I think that in recent times, the new comers have not adpopted the cultural values that have contributed to America's greatness.

This is very evident in the workplace. American worker, majority white, demonstrate a very high level of work ethic, irregardful of intelligence. Other countries whose residents ofetn emigrate to US, do not always have that same level of work ethic. There is a way that America works. If you call a tech support person in India or South America, you quickly realize how their system and work ethic is so different from ours.

To come to America, and stay in your own community and establish your own identity distinct from an American identity is suboptimal for America.

[The Left]

Originally Posted by Smart Actuary

To come to America, and stay in your own community and establish your own identity distinct from an American identity is suboptimal for America.

This has "worked" for years, why wouldn't it now?

[Smart Actuary]

Originally Posted by The Left

This has "worked" for years, why wouldn't it now?

It can work for smaller groups peripheral to community but it will be problematic when these groups are the community.

[Guerilla poster]

Originally Posted by Pseudolus

I don't speak for Patty B, but what I would say would go something like:

"America (qua America) cannot survive without certain cultural instincts and attitudes that originated in white Anglo-Euros who emigrated to this country a helluva long time ago. Those I&A can be internalized by people of any race, but this takes time - and some confidence on the part of the assimilating/acculturating nation. As the number of people in and entering the country increases, and as our own confidence in asserting that immigrants must gain those I&A decreases, the very qualities that make America such a special nation and that have drawn immigrants here begin to fade away."

Sometimes when I am in NYC, I wish the Germans had won the immigration war rather than the Italians. This is not a Jewish thing. This is an anti chaos thing. I like my orderly German processes. Not, my Italian, anything goes ways. Though, I like the Irish influence. Who doesn't like being able to get drunk at any hour of the day. Just kidding my Irish friends.

[The Left]

Originally Posted by Smart Actuary

It can work for smaller groups peripheral to community but it will be problematic when these groups are the community.

So basically we need smaller minority groups and one large community block for America to be great?

[Smart Actuary]

Originally Posted by The Left

So basically we need smaller minority groups and one large community block for America to be great?

If you want to bring your own values and culture from your countries, well they didnt work so well in your own countries, now did they. So you come here and try and establish those values that failed you in your own homelands. Its not hard to see what would happen.

There is a reason America is/was great and a large part of that was American values.

P.S. I am an immigrant.

[Pseudolus]

Originally Posted by Guerilla poster

Just kidding my Irish friends.

Don't worry. They're not reading anyway. It's after 4 on a workday, so they're all either at Mass or are s-faced and brawling with each other. And/or, actually.