clueless college students

[campbell]

Originally Posted by urbansombrero

yeah N=41 with N=10 for Top 30. You can see the full list of schools on table 1.

Overall, the job market is pretty good if you have a decent research record.
Much better than science anyways.

I bet CS academia pays pretty well, too. I talked w. some of the guys at Courant in the CS side bitching about losing people (both grad students and faculty) every so often when the tech biz was doing well. There was an influx again post-dot-com-bust.

Yeah CS is quite good.

[Ionic Order]

Originally Posted by alphatmw

if a student graduates college and is unaware of what he was supposed to do to prepare for the next step, this is the colleges fault, PERIOD. where else is this information supposed to come from?

You know, college students are full adults and are supposed to be able to figure out what they need to do. The job of professors is to teach them academic knowledge. Life skills are to be learned outside of the classroom. If you are concerned about what to do after college, you go talk to professors, career center, alumni, etc. to seek help. You don't stay in your room and play video games and expect to be given a job offer when you graduate.

My point is, figuring out a career path post-college is a personal responsibility. Those that care about their life deserve to be successful; a school can help you, but you have to be proactive; you're not a kid any more. Even at high school, the teachers can't do everything for you. If a student graduates from high school as a math failure, and another graduates from the same high school as a math Olympiad winner, whose fault is it that the former failed? Not all college students are clueless; you can't blame the school for the failures of those who don't try.

[Wigmeister General]

Originally Posted by HiLine

You know, college students are full adults and are supposed to be able to figure out what they need to do. The job of professors is to teach them academic knowledge. Life skills are to be learned outside of the classroom. If you are concerned about what to do after college, you go talk to professors, career center, alumni, etc. to seek help. You don't stay in your room and play video games and expect to be given a job offer when you graduate.

My point is, figuring out a career path post-college is a personal responsibility. Those that care about their life deserve to be successful; a school can help you, but you have to be proactive; you're not a kid any more. Even at high school, the teachers can't do everything for you. If a student graduates from high school as a math failure, and another graduates from the same high school as a math Olympiad winner, whose fault is it that the former failed? Not all college students are clueless; you can't blame the school for the failures of those who don't try.

Truer words have not been spoken. These are an exact quote from Hezekiah 3:5-10

[apk123]

Originally Posted by HiLine

You know, college students are full adults and are supposed to be able to figure out what they need to do. The job of professors is to teach them academic knowledge. Life skills are to be learned outside of the classroom. If you are concerned about what to do after college, you go talk to professors, career center, alumni, etc. to seek help. You don't stay in your room and play video games and expect to be given a job offer when you graduate.

My point is, figuring out a career path post-college is a personal responsibility. Those that care about their life deserve to be successful; a school can help you, but you have to be proactive; you're not a kid any more. Even at high school, the teachers can't do everything for you. If a student graduates from high school as a math failure, and another graduates from the same high school as a math Olympiad winner, whose fault is it that the former failed? Not all college students are clueless; you can't blame the school for the failures of those who don't try.

I might have agreed with you if colleges didn't market themselves so heavily as places that prepare their graduates for careers in x,y,z and charge hefty tuition based on that. IMO you can't do that and then once the student is there, start behaving as lofty academics who only want to pass knowledge and have nothing to do with earthly things like careers.

[Doc Holiday]

Originally Posted by apk123

I might have agreed with you if colleges didn't market themselves so heavily as places that prepare their graduates for careers in x,y,z and charge hefty tuition based on that. IMO you can't do that and then once the student is there, start behaving as lofty academics who only want to pass knowledge and have nothing to do with earthly things like careers.

Buyer beware.

[Wigmeister General]

Originally Posted by Doc Holiday

Buyer beware.

Give me an intelligent 18-year-old with math capabilities, and by age 22 he'll run my office.

[Ionic Order]

Originally Posted by Wigmeister General

Give me an intelligent 18-year-old with math capabilities, and by age 22 he'll run my office.

I'm 18 and intelligent with math capabilities. Will I run your office in 4 years?

[alphatmw]

Originally Posted by HiLine

You know, college students are full adults and are supposed to be able to figure out what they need to do. The job of professors is to teach them academic knowledge. Life skills are to be learned outside of the classroom. If you are concerned about what to do after college, you go talk to professors, career center, alumni, etc. to seek help. You don't stay in your room and play video games and expect to be given a job offer when you graduate.

My point is, figuring out a career path post-college is a personal responsibility. Those that care about their life deserve to be successful; a school can help you, but you have to be proactive; you're not a kid any more. Even at high school, the teachers can't do everything for you. If a student graduates from high school as a math failure, and another graduates from the same high school as a math Olympiad winner, whose fault is it that the former failed? Not all college students are clueless; you can't blame the school for the failures of those who don't try.

we're saying the same thing, last time i checked professors, career centers, and alumni are all associated with the college no?

[Ionic Order]

Originally Posted by alphatmw

we're saying the same thing, last time i checked professors, career centers, and alumni are all associated with the college no?

Originally Posted by HiLine

You know, college students are full adults and are supposed to be able to figure out what they need to do. The job of professors is to teach them academic knowledge. Life skills are to be learned outside of the classroom. If you are concerned about what to do after college, you go talk to professors, career center, alumni, etc. to seek help. You don't stay in your room and play video games and expect to be given a job offer when you graduate.

My point is, figuring out a career path post-college is a personal responsibility. Those that care about their life deserve to be successful; a school can help you, but you have to be proactive; you're not a kid any more. Even at high school, the teachers can't do everything for you. If a student graduates from high school as a math failure, and another graduates from the same high school as a math Olympiad winner, whose fault is it that the former failed? Not all college students are clueless; you can't blame the school for the failures of those who don't try.

You bolded the wrong part. I redid it for you. Professors teach classes, since it's their job. If you want anything beyond that, go talk to them. Alumni and career centers make themselves available to you, but they are not going to knock on your dorm room's door to ask if you need help. I do agree however, that if the career center and alumni network are useless, that's the college's fault. But how realistic do you think this case is?