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NEW THREAD FOR 2013: http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actu...d.php?t=253567
New year, new thread, and I've got the perfect link to kick it off. First, some housekeeping: the original thread, started in Sept 2008 - http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actu...d.php?t=146801 Second thread - Jan 2010 - http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actu...d.php?t=183680 Third thread - Jan 2011 - http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actu...d.php?t=207956 Okay, now a new post --- from Girard Miller in Governing Magazine: http://www.governing.com/columns/pub...n-Puffery.html Quote:
I'm just going to pull out one for this thread (others, feel free to pull out other points). We've got multiple threads on discount rates already, so let's go with the 80% funding level "half truth". http://www.governing.com/columns/pub...ffery.html#ht4 Quote:
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I half-hoped that you'd find something positive for once and subtitle the thread IV: A New Hope...oh well!
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I have no new hope currently, but come back next year, and we'll see where things stand.
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Public Pension Watch V: The Pensions strike back!
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Some states are looking/have looked at switching to defined contribution plans as a way to "stop the bleeding" so to speak. If all the contributions required for the current DB plan are channeled into a new DC plan, doesn't that hurt the existing DB plan? In fact, doesn't that accelerate plan maturity and argue for a lower discount rate to measure the present value of the liabilities? What are the pros and cons of this move toward DC plans for public pension plans?
One of my concerns about the huge shift away from DB plans to DC plans in general is that it may provide a benefit to the plan sponsor, but it may (probably will) increase the likelihood that retirees don't have enough savings/income to live on after they retire or otherwise become unable to work (unemployment, ill health, etc.). This would be particularly true for employees at the lower end of the pay scale. Has anyone seen studies projecting the degree of preparedness/unpreparedness of future retirees coming out of DC plans? Thanks for your thoughts about these questions! |
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I am not going to get into the measurement of the liabilities right now. I know we have other threads on that. Ultimately, all the contributions actually come from taxpayers (except perhaps in the case of buying airtime, but there's still a bunch of stuff there.... so let me add that!) http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...sts/52247140/1 Quote:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...ion/52246538/1 Quote:
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Senator Hatch issued a report stating that defined benefit plans are inappropriate for state and local governments.
http://hatch.senate.gov/public/_cach...%20America.pdf From page 9: "Many of the legislative proposals and enactments at the state and federal level are good ideas that would improve the defined benefit pension structure. However, it is becoming increasingly apparent that defined benefit pension plans will never be financially sound enough over the long term for use by state and local governments. The financial risk associated with the defined benefit pension structure may be appropriate in the corporate setting, but it is inherently flawed in the state and local government setting. When defined benefit pension liabilities explode unexpectedly for a private corporation, the harm is usually limited to the corporation’s shareholders, employees and customers. In the public sector, by contrast, the harm goes beyond the public employer and employee, and is inflicted directly on taxpayers either through higher taxes, additional borrowing or reduced services. For this reason, the financial risks associated with the defined benefit pension structure are uniquely inappropriate for state and local governments."
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Thanks for the link, Chilango. Somebody had sent me a news article on Hatch's comments, but not a link to the "report".
In other news, we have the Governor of Illinois, Pat Quinn, saying that this time, they really mean it, they'll do some pension reform this year: http://www.sj-r.com/top-stories/x207...-pension-panel Quote:
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Start spreading the news....
http://webfarm.bloomberg.com/news/20...7-from-8-.html Quote:
http://burypensions.wordpress.com/20...guy/#more-1710 Quote:
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