NFL Suspensions for Bounty Scandal!! Wow!!

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

Originally Posted by Quasi

I'm guessing he'll eat a lot of food that has been spit on (or worse) that week.

I'm guessing he flies in the day before thh game with his own cook and has an armed escort the whole time.

[Actuarial Bot]

Originally Posted by Devastator

More details:

According to the league, Payton ignored instructions from the NFL and Saints ownership to make sure bounties weren't being paid. The league also chastised him for choosing to "falsely deny that the program existed," and for trying to "encourage the false denials by instructing assistants to 'make sure our ducks are in a row.' "

As recently as this year, Payton said he was entirely unaware of the bounties -- "a claim contradicted by others," the league said. And according to the investigation, Payton received an email before the Saints' first game in 2011 that read, "PS Greg Williams put me down for $5000 on Rogers (sic)." When Payton was shown that email by NFL investigators, he acknowledged it referred to a bounty on Rodgers, whose Packers beat the Saints in Week 1.

Did Rodgers get hurt? Was any crime really committed? Last I checked defensive players are supposed to get to the QB and deliver "clean" brutal hits. If they make an illegal hit they get fined, penalized and/or suspended. Doesn't seem like anything bad happened. Now bounty is a charged word. But this is really a bunch of nonsense. Replace "bounty" with "sack and forced fumble" and then everyone is happy right? Ridiculous. So Payton is suspended because he recieved an email with the word bounty in it. Maybe they were talking about paper towels.

[dlwktb]

Originally Posted by Actuarial Bot

Did Rodgers get hurt? Was any crime really committed? Last I checked defensive players are supposed to get to the QB and deliver "clean" brutal hits. If they make an illegal hit they get fined, penalized and/or suspended. Doesn't seem like anything bad happened. Now bounty is a charged word. But this is really a bunch of nonsense. Replace "bounty" with "sack and forced fumble" and then everyone is happy right? Ridiculous.

A) Just because it didn't happen in this particular case doesn't mean it didn't happen ever. They were in the top 5/6 in most roughing the QB penalties and most illegal hits all 3 years of the program.

B) "Sack and forced fumble" pools are illegal (in football terms, too, especially when coaches are providing portions of the money. Those are benefits outside of the usual salary cap. Relatively minor in comparison to getting paid to hurt people, but still against the rules.

[Abused Student]

Originally Posted by dlwktb

A) Just because it didn't happen in this particular case doesn't mean it didn't happen ever. They were in the top 5/6 in most roughing the QB penalties and most illegal hits all 3 years of the program.

B) "Sack and forced fumble" pools are illegal (in football terms, too, especially when coaches are providing portions of the money. Those are benefits outside of the usual salary cap. Relatively minor in comparison to getting paid to hurt people, but still against the rules.

B is illegal if done by the coaches/team. If it is a player pool like some teams have I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

[dlwktb]

Originally Posted by Abused Student

B is illegal if done by the coaches/team. If it is a player pool like some teams have I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

I still think it is against the letter of the rules, but basically impossible to enforce or even prove that it's happening.

[whisper]

Originally Posted by Actuarial Bot

Was any crime really committed?

What part of violating the league rules are you not grasping?

So Payton is suspended because he recieved an email with the word bounty in it. Maybe they were talking about paper towels.

Especially when he denied knowledge of the pool and failed to stop its existence even when he knew the league was investigating.

[vito]

Originally Posted by Actuarial Bot

Did Rodgers get hurt? Was any crime really committed? Last I checked defensive players are supposed to get to the QB and deliver "clean" brutal hits. If they make an illegal hit they get fined, penalized and/or suspended. Doesn't seem like anything bad happened. Now bounty is a charged word. But this is really a bunch of nonsense. Replace "bounty" with "sack and forced fumble" and then everyone is happy right? Ridiculous. So Payton is suspended because he recieved an email with the word bounty in it. Maybe they were talking about paper towels.

Payton was suspended because he is a liar.

[Abused Student]

Originally Posted by dlwktb

I still think it is against the letter of the rules, but basically impossible to enforce or even prove that it's happening.

I would say it is against the letter of the rules like having a penny ante poker game with a group of your friends is against the gambling rules.

[Actuarial Bot]

Originally Posted by dlwktb

A) Just because it didn't happen in this particular case doesn't mean it didn't happen ever. They were in the top 5/6 in most roughing the QB penalties and most illegal hits all 3 years of the program.

B) "Sack and forced fumble" pools are illegal (in football terms, too, especially when coaches are providing portions of the money. Those are benefits outside of the usual salary cap. Relatively minor in comparison to getting paid to hurt people, but still against the rules.

Pool smool. Do players who have lots of sacks and forced fumbles get better incentive bonuses or more to the point bigger salaries than players who do not get sacks and forced fumbles?

Football is a brutal game. Players get hurt. Defensive players are beasts and paid to be beasts. This bounty "scandal" is noting more than window dressing and disingenuous PR to cover up the brutality of NFL football.

Goodell should suspend himself and fine the league a billion dollars for not requiring the league to use safer helmets. More players have been hurt by concussions due to crappy helmets than any bounty pool. Hypocrite.

Maybe they should just play flag football next season.

[Actuarial Bot]

Originally Posted by vito

Payton was suspended because he is a liar.

Then I guess by that standard no one will play next year.