Originally Posted by V1per41
I will concede that many theists think that Nazism can be a valid point. However, it never has been and never will be.
Hitler was a Christian, the Nazi's were primarily Christian, but let's ignore those and go with the "They didn't do what Jesus teaches and therefore aren't true Christian's" argument
On what basis are you calling Hitler a Christian? Do you think anybody who calls themselves a Christian is a Christian, or are there certain criteria (beliefs held, actions taken, etc.) that you think people need to meet for you to consider them Christian? Is anybody who wants to call themselves an actuary an actuary?
Btw, the definition of Christian is not a "no true Scotsman" fallacy. There is a set of fixed criteria to determine whether or not someone truly is a Christian, and it's not self-defining. Basically, belief in the Apostles' Creed is the litmus test. Anyone who believes it is a Christian. I am not saying that Christians do not commit atrocities or sins, because that would be ridiculous. I am saying that to the extent they do, they are deviating from their faith. That's a fact, and it happens to everybody.
I then went on to make another statement that I think societies who have stronger church institutions and stronger Christian influences to be more moral, liberal, life-valuing socieites. This statement can be debated, but I think the historical record corroborates it.
It still doesn't matter, as their actions were driven from ideology and dogma. Atheists have committed atrocities, but no one has committed atrocities in the name of atheism. there is a VERY BIG difference here.
I'm sure there is at least one atheist, somewhere, who has killed or tried to kill a religious person because of their faith. There are probably hundreds, actually. Maybe some of the murderers call themselves "humanists," because they believe in humanity. And I'm sure you'll say (as would I), "they're not really humanists!). Not so?