Vanderbilt moves to squash diversity on campus

[Rex Ryan]

Originally Posted by Corn Row

You're free to mock them - but you're mocking the ability to have Christian Universities in the first place, which seems a bit hypocritical.

How am I mocking the ability to have a Christian university?

[Jack]

Isn't Vandervilt a Methodist school?

[Jack]

Did you read the article you posted, they weren't kicked off campus they chose to move off campus.

[Rex Ryan]

Originally Posted by LifeIsAPoissonProcess

How does one become the leader of a Catholic organization? If it's democratic, I don't see what the problem is.

I think they have to sign something that says they would be open to electing someone who does not share their beliefs. I think that is the problem. They have a conscience and they refuse to lie.

Sounds like it would be easy if they had no morals to just sign the document and then not elect someone who does not share their beliefs. I guess they refuse to lie. Funny how religious people get hung up on being honorable.

[Patience]

Originally Posted by Rex Ryan

First of all, I do not think you have your facts right.

A fraternity kicked someone out for being gay.

That led the university to look at ALL campus organizations.

The Catholic group, from what I can tell, did nothing to kick out a gay member.

I stand corrected

But what it comes to is the faith based groups can't be housed on campus.
That is all and not that unusual.

To believe it is anti-any one group is absurd
Also, the universities rules were already in place and just not enforced.
The homophobic incident with the fraternity just brought it to light and the school has little choice but to enforce it

What the students need to do is work to change the university's constitutution, as the rule doesn't make sense for religious groups - or at Vanderbilt religious groups have to be housed off campus

It shouldn't be that big a deal

[Corn Row]

Originally Posted by Rex Ryan

I don't have a problem with gay people or gay organizations. And if they want to require the leader of their group to be gay, I have no problem with that either. If you don't like the rules of their organization, then don't join.

Groups should not promote hate. Groups should respect other groups and all students. Groups should not be required to elect members who do not share their beliefs and the goals of the organization.

If they have other goals or beliefs, they should be in a different group, the atheist group or muslim group, or flying spaghetti monster group.

So you want to force Vanderbilt to allow groups to do what they want? You don't see the irony in that? Maybe joni308 can help me follow your logic.

[Rex Ryan]

Originally Posted by Jack

Did you read the article you posted, they weren't kicked off campus they chose to move off campus.

No, they refuse to sign a document saying they are open to electing non-Catholic people to positions of leadership. They accept anyone as a member, but leaders must be Catholic. That leaves them no alternative but to go off campus. Did you read the article?

[ebeebs]

Originally Posted by LifeIsAPoissonProcess

How does one become the leader of a Catholic organization? If it's democratic, I don't see what the problem is.

Right. It sounds like to run for the leadership position it can't be a requirement to be catholic. When it comes to actual voting, let the members decide if they want a catholic or non-catholic. The groups really don't need to change anything except for their leadership requirements, I doubt anybody would run and win a position if they weren't of that groups religion.

It's not like the university is saying the leader can't be of that religion. What a bunch of crying over nothing.


-This all assumes people get voted into positions.

[Corn Row]

Originally Posted by Rex Ryan

How am I mocking the ability to have a Christian university?

Once you remove the ability for a private institution to do what they choose, then you remove the ability for a Christian University to remain a Christian University.

[Patience]

Originally Posted by LifeIsAPoissonProcess

How does one become the leader of a Catholic organization? If it's democratic, I don't see what the problem is.

it could be a problem for smaller religious groups

The Jewish group may allow non-Jews to belong, but not as leadership. My Men's Club does that

What if enough non-Jewish people decided to infiltrate and vote out the Jewish leadership, essentially wiping out the Jewish group.

For the Catholics it would be much less likely