Actuarial Outpost
 
Go Back   Actuarial Outpost > Actuarial Discussion Forum > Careers - Employment
FlashChat Actuarial Discussion Preliminary Exams CAS/SOA Exams Cyberchat Around the World Suggestions

Life Actuarial Jobs
& Annuities,

& Investments
Worldwide

Salary Surveys
Life & Health

Pension
Property & Casualty

DW Simpson & Co.
Actuarial
Recruitment
Worldwide

Casualty Jobs
& Property -- Worldwide
Reinsurance,

Insurance, Bureaus & Consulting


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #41  
Old 04-23-2012, 11:46 AM
DataDan's Avatar
DataDan DataDan is offline
Member
SOA
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: East Coast US
Posts: 1,370
Default

I agree with those who recognize that exams help get you interviews.

then its up to you to convince them to give you a job.

I would say 2exams is a good amount for El. 3 would prob get you a few more interviews to work with. I had 1 and interviews were hard to get (and now there is pressure to take exams and catch up with the rest of the group)
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 04-23-2012, 12:41 PM
SamTheBellhop SamTheBellhop is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 306
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DataDan View Post

I would say 2exams is a good amount for El. 3 would prob get you a few more interviews to work with.
Serious question for those who interview ELs for jobs. When whittling down the resumes to the 5-6 (or whatever small number) that you bring in for an initial interview, how much does having 3 exams vs. 2 exams help the prospective candidate in making that cut?
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 04-23-2012, 12:41 PM
TheShark TheShark is offline
Member
SOA
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: NYC
College: Senior at a CAE
Posts: 2,142
Default

I agree with Reformed Donkey, last Fall I was a junior, had 2 exams, applied to 60 companies but got zero interviews due to my shy personality and below par GPA. My classmates who were more outgoing got interviews with 0 exams and a worse GPA than me (their personality clicked with the employers at career fairs). And yes I met new EL hires at career fairs who had 0 exams.

What sucks is that there isn't much you can do about your personality. It is developed when you are a child. Blame the people who raised you.
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 04-23-2012, 12:50 PM
oceankyle oceankyle is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 154
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheShark View Post

What sucks is that there isn't much you can do about your personality. It is developed when you are a child. Blame the people who raised you.
Not with that attitude!

I think you can improve anything with a little effort.... I know multiple people including myself who have made positive changes in their personality by actively trying to...

Very interesting thread for me since I'm debating taking MFE after P and before getting a job, I figured I'd work through one more summer at the beach and pass MFE (hopefully) in August, then get a job... $325 is a lot of money though.
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 04-23-2012, 12:53 PM
Colonel Smoothie's Avatar
Colonel Smoothie Colonel Smoothie is offline
Member
CAS
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Studying for CAS 5
College: Jamba Juice University
Favorite beer: AO Amber Ale
Posts: 9,469
Default

I would like to add that based on my observations, most of the 4-5 exam candidates are normal people who can function perfectly fine, personality wise. It's a very rare case that you find someone who can pass exams quickly yet can't talk to people.

The "inept nerd" stereotype applied to people with good academic backgrounds is overblown, IMO.
__________________
Recommended Readings for the EL Actuary || Études in R || Open Database
Version 0.1
Last Revised: 15.03.2013

Quote:
Originally Posted by snikelfritz View Post
If you come work for me, I promise you all the cheese you can eat.
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old 04-23-2012, 12:58 PM
Vorian Atreides's Avatar
Vorian Atreides Vorian Atreides is offline
Wiki/Note Contributor
CAS
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Garroting Deep
Studying for CAS Exam 7
College: Hard Knocks
Favorite beer: Sam Adams Cherry Wheat
Posts: 27,742
Default

Pr(getting an interview for actuarial position | Passed Exams = 3) >> Pr(getting an interview for actuarial position | Passed Exams = 2)

Pr(getting an actuarial job | Passed Exams = 3 AND interviews really well) = Pr(getting an actuarial job | Passed Exams = 2 AND interviews really well)
__________________
The Search is about to begin . . . There is still time left to join.

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Wait until you have kids.

Freedom of speech is not a license to discourtesy
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old 04-23-2012, 01:00 PM
Vorian Atreides's Avatar
Vorian Atreides Vorian Atreides is offline
Wiki/Note Contributor
CAS
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Garroting Deep
Studying for CAS Exam 7
College: Hard Knocks
Favorite beer: Sam Adams Cherry Wheat
Posts: 27,742
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheShark View Post
<snip>
What sucks is that there isn't much you can do about your personality. It is developed when you are a child. Blame the people who raised you.
This is completely false; unless you beleive that this sort of reasoning is true. In the latter case, there's nothing to be done for you at this point.
__________________
The Search is about to begin . . . There is still time left to join.

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Wait until you have kids.

Freedom of speech is not a license to discourtesy
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old 04-23-2012, 01:02 PM
SamTheBellhop SamTheBellhop is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 306
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vorian Atreides View Post
Pr(getting an interview for actuarial position | Passed Exams = 3) >> Pr(getting an interview for actuarial position | Passed Exams = 2)
Agree with the equation. Am unsure as to how much larger the left side is than the right.
Reply With Quote
  #49  
Old 04-23-2012, 01:06 PM
AAABBBCCC AAABBBCCC is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 1,329
Default

I think my brain almost exploded when reading this thread.
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old 04-23-2012, 01:06 PM
Vorian Atreides's Avatar
Vorian Atreides Vorian Atreides is offline
Wiki/Note Contributor
CAS
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Garroting Deep
Studying for CAS Exam 7
College: Hard Knocks
Favorite beer: Sam Adams Cherry Wheat
Posts: 27,742
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SamTheBellhop View Post
Agree with the equation. Am unsure as to how much larger the left side is than the right.
It will vary by company and how well you craft your resume; but ceteris parabus, you can expect the differential to be what's shown (unless the candidate pool under consideration is very small--like companies in teh Po').
__________________
The Search is about to begin . . . There is still time left to join.

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Wait until you have kids.

Freedom of speech is not a license to discourtesy
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:26 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
*PLEASE NOTE: Posts are not checked for accuracy, and do not
represent the views of the Actuarial Outpost or its sponsors.
Page generated in 0.38328 seconds with 7 queries