Christianity question: Dave Ramsey deserves to burn in hell edition...

[TheGillotine]

Originally Posted by Pseudolus

Just so as not to disappoint anyone, I'll yet again point out that "good" and "evil" are absolutely meaningless concepts in a purely material universe.

Good and evil are concepts related to minds of sufficient sophistication to appreciate them. Such minds are emergent from the material universe.

Which part do you contest, that the human mind cannot possibly emerge from a purely material universe, or that the human mind is not the basis for morality?

[Hugh Jass]

There is no right or wrong

[phoebe]

Originally Posted by Funemployed

Different sects try to mix in various levels of "good works" as part of the requirement for salvation. But this is false thinking. The Bible is Parts of the New Testament are clear that salvation is based on faith alone. Our works simply "show" our faith...

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[FattyMcGee]

I think this is the most civil religion thread yet. Carry on.

[Uncle Ted]

Originally Posted by Funemployed

Different sects try to mix in various levels of "good works" as part of the requirement for salvation. But this is false thinking. The Bible is clear that salvation is based on faith alone.

Yes, especially this part

James 2:24"You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

[Sentinel]

Originally Posted by Fish Actuary

That seems like an absolutely horrible way of going through life; believing that the only thing preventing you from suffering eternal damnation after having an impure thought is a belief in a God that more often than not doesn't answer your prayers and making it difficult to remain faithful (e.g. Mother Teresa - http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18563_162-3199062.html)

No, Christians are at peace because we believe God has forgiven us and will always keep us. Once you're saved, you're always saved, so Christians don't worry. Research shows its the nonbelievers who believe the only order is chaos that are always worried and filled with high anxiety.

[Sentinel]

Originally Posted by Fish Actuary

Isn't this (or variants of this) taught in Sunday school? You have to accept Jesus or you'll suffer eternal damnation for your sins?

You tell those unsaved they need Jesus and that's it. You don't keep reminding someone already saved that they're on the road to damnation for every slip up...that's heresy. Your example doesn't apply.

[QMO]

Originally Posted by Baby, ByeBye

the sort of morality that Baby, ByeBye is talking about anyway. as in, thinking whatever Baby, ByeBye disagrees with is bad. not whether whatever Baby, ByeBye agrees with is bad.

I translated your post.

[Sentinel]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jass

There is no right or wrong

another reason why atheists just can't be trusted.

[Fish Actuary]

Originally Posted by Sentinel

No, Christians are at peace because we believe God has forgiven us and will always keep us. Once you're saved, you're always saved, so Christians don't worry. Research shows its the nonbelievers who believe the only order is chaos that are always worried and filled with high anxiety.

That doesn't make sense. What you wrote suggests that once you are saved, if you intentionally kill someone afterwards you can kill someone and still go to heaven. Is that correct? Also, does it differ if you kill someone while you are robbing a place, defending your property, defending your family, or while serving as a soldier?

I'm a nonbeliever, but I don't think the only order is chaos. Most (all?) other non-believers that I know, don't believe the only order is chaos.