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Old 04-05-2017, 12:38 AM
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Default How to deal with bad managers?

At least some of us have had poor managers at some point in our careers. How do you deal with them? Obviously it'd be easier to just get a new job, but that isn't always an option, especially entry level folk or those who have other restrictions/constraints.

As for what makes a bad/jerk manager, could be a micromanaging, not taking time to train you, verbally abusing you (yes, I've had this happen to me and seen it with others), hindering your growth, tries to fire you unfairly, etc. From what I've seen, HR usually doesn't care to try and help out in these cases, so what do you do? Just sit there and try to hang on until you can get enough experience to bail?

A lot of the older threads mostly suggested just getting a new position, but that was when the market wasn't as saturated and that was easier to do. Nowadays especially for ELs or even really anyone pre-associate with <5 years experience, you just get tagged as a job hopper if you switch jobs more than once so a new job just isn't always available, and even if you got an interview, it can be difficult to explain a short stint since you can't really badmouth a manager.

How have you guys dealt with bad managers?
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Nowadays especially for ELs or even really anyone pre-associate with <5 years experience, you just get tagged as a job hopper
Think of it as a way to filter out shitty managers in the future. The ones that treat people like trash are less likely to hire a job hopper because they know that they won't put up with any crap.

As long as you're moving upward and not laterally, I don't see the big deal.

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Old 04-05-2017, 08:37 AM
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Bided my time on one situation that was terrible, and eventually something opened up elsewhere in the company and I "posted" out. In meantime, depends on personalities, your own stature and allies within company, etc etc. In the meantime, had decided to pick my fights, not have confrontations over everything. Stand your ground but don't get reputation as a malcontent, it's a fine line imo...
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To comment on this particular point, at the end of the day, each individual employee is responsible for his/her growth. I don't have any expectation for managers to bolster professional growth of their employees.
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To comment on this particular point, at the end of the day, each individual employee is responsible for his/her growth. I don't have any expectation for managers to bolster professional growth of their employees.
But a manager can obstruct an employees professional growth. Good managers bolster growth, average managers let you do you, bad managers can slow your growth if they are motivated to do so.
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To comment on this particular point, at the end of the day, each individual employee is responsible for his/her growth. I don't have any expectation for managers to bolster professional growth of their employees.
One of the fastest ways up an organization is to put yourself under a 'star' and ride their coattails.
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Seems like a better, more direct way would be to become the star yourself.
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As I was leaving a company that I didn't care for my boss actually said, and this blew me away: "I didn't think you would leave because you had too much stress in your life". He was implying that I couldn't handle the additional stress of switching jobs; that was his justification for low balling my merit and raise that year. quitting that toxic place was so liberating.
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OP, give adequate consideration to the possibility that the problem is you and not the manager.

are you an EL? if so, you should expect some level of micromanagement since you're EL and really don't know anything. not taking time to train you - wait, i thought manager was micromanaging? verbal abuse? unfairly trying to fire people? i'll need more evidence of these given the generation snowflake overreaction to every damn thing that comes along.
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