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Old 02-16-2005, 03:24 PM
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Yes. He provided a detailed report to the UN (intercepted and edited by the US first). The inspectors were in Iraq and agreed that he had no weapons but wanted some more time. Saddam continued to talk tough in public while dismantling weapons and allowing inspections.

Your wrong, as usual.
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Old 02-16-2005, 04:00 PM
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So you're saying that the Bush admin. knew he was weak, had no weapons and was an easy target? Interesting.
Pretty much. His future ability was the problem. He could aid terrorsits like the Taliban did, and he could fund them, as he did Hamas. With his money, there's no reason to suspect he wouldn't eventially buy some nukes on the black market, Ukraine, N Korea, ....
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Old 02-16-2005, 04:01 PM
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"The Iraq conflict, while not a cause of extremism, has become a cause for extremists," he said.
Best to kill them in Iraq and keep them focused there.
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Old 02-16-2005, 04:02 PM
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This post depresses me.

They have a culture that is worthy of celebrating. As already pointed out, the Christian, Jewish, and African seasonal traditions are celebrated with stamps. Why not Muslim?

And, in no way do I think this sentiment suddenly came out of no where. I have had entirely too much experience with racist organizations in my life.

What bothers me is it appears to be becoming more acceptable.
I think you are absolutely right. Prejudice comes in slowly, often under cover of reasonability and grasps the mind, and doesn't let go until it is too late.

There is much about Islam that is to be celebrated. The Muslims were advancing science and medicine while Christians in positoins of authority were actively burning at the stake those who challenged their idiotic earth-centered theories of astronomy.

In our country, in our day, their intellectual descendents are the Bible Literalists who refuse to let evolution be taught in schools.

Although Jews are generally open minded about science, even when it contradicts the Bible -nonetheless, there are sects that refuse to leave the 17th century.

Unfortunately, there are reactionaries of all faiths who wish to suppress any knowledge that threatens their religion. They are the enemy.

Still, the willingness of Muslim militants to use their houses of worship as munitions dumps, take children hostage, and of course 9/11 is disturbing. But it does not justify the type of idiotic Muslim bashing that some wish to engage in. Rather, all peace loving people of all religions need to come together now to speak out against religious intolerance and violence.

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Old 02-16-2005, 04:20 PM
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Best to kill them in Iraq and keep them focused there.

I guess you missed the warning he was giving about "transnational" cells.
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Certainty is the enemy. The true seeker knows uncertainty and the humility that comes with it.
Are you certain about that?
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Old 02-16-2005, 04:21 PM
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I guess you missed the warning he was giving about "transnational" cells.
Nope. I didn't think I needed to point that out to you.
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Old 02-16-2005, 06:02 PM
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Best to kill them in Iraq and keep them focused there.
Don't forget to send the Iraqis a card to thank them for letting us host our war there!
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Old 02-16-2005, 11:29 PM
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It doesn't matter who is correct in what might have happened if an invasion occured. What matters is that the Japanese appeared to believe private ownership of guns would make a difference.
Note, above quote provides evidence provided that a blind hog does indeed find an acorn. So how many times do you think this ruse works?


Michael - inbreeders etc is your line, not mine. I doubt very much that there would have been widespread armed resistance. You can claim there would have been. Looks like an impasse of the past.

In WWI, there was the occasional belgian (or frenchman) that would open up on the passing Germans with a squirrel rifle. This upset the germanic notion of well-behaved conquereds and they took to liquidating villages in retaliation. Do you think invading japanese would have been more kind to cowboys than the germans were to outraged peasants?

Submit your theory based on a trained and ready militia and I'll agree.
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Old 02-17-2005, 12:03 AM
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Michael - inbreeders etc is your line, not mine.
That wasn't directed at you; it was a general observation on forum attitudes. My understanding is that Southerners have always been overrepresented in our armed services in all wars, and I'd expect the same in an armed resistance.

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I doubt very much that there would have been widespread armed resistance. You can claim there would have been. Looks like an impasse of the past.
If the French are any indication, then I agree. Their vaunted resistance was piddling and ineffective. If the Vietnamese are any indication, the jury's still out. Technology has shifted the balance of power towards determined guerillas fighting anyone who isn't completely ruthless.

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In WWI, there was the occasional belgian (or frenchman) that would open up on the passing Germans with a squirrel rifle. This upset the germanic notion of well-behaved conquereds and they took to liquidating villages in retaliation. Do you think invading japanese would have been more kind to cowboys than the germans were to outraged peasants?
No. See ruthless comment above. Same goes for the Brits in Iraq, but oddly not in India. Go figure.

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Submit your theory based on a trained and ready militia and I'll agree.
Don't think it requires that, but that's for another time ... I already owe too many others long responses on other threads. And I do agree with Griffin's observation. It certainly works for porcupines.
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