Why I may never bluff again

[nittany07]

I knew he was weak, I knew he was weak, I knew he was weak (I actually figured him for ak after the flop check). Assuming you are in the hand after the flop, does anyone play it differently?

Check out the comment he put down too.


PokerStars Game #1622354289: Tournament #7536398, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/05/01 - 23:32:00 (ET)
Table '7536398 1' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: SumKindaHate (1680 in chips)
Seat 4: nutsetter (1470 in chips)
Seat 5: edbratz66 (1440 in chips)
Seat 6: ErikaW (1470 in chips)
Seat 7: MChat (3010 in chips)
Seat 8: m-squared (1460 in chips)
Seat 9: nittany07 (1480 in chips)
nittany07: posts small blind 10
SumKindaHate: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to nittany07 [Qh Kh]
nutsetter: raises 40 to 60
edbratz66: folds
ErikaW: calls 60
MChat: folds
m-squared: folds
nittany07: calls 50
SumKindaHate: raises 140 to 200
nutsetter is disconnected
nutsetter is connected
nutsetter: folds
ErikaW: folds
nittany07: calls 140
*** FLOP *** [2c Th 8h]
nittany07: checks
SumKindaHate: checks
*** TURN *** [2c Th 8h] [9c]
nittany07: checks
SumKindaHate: bets 400
nittany07: raises 880 to 1280 and is all-in
SumKindaHate: calls 880
*** RIVER *** [2c Th 8h 9c] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
nittany07: shows [Qh Kh] (high card King)
SumKindaHate: shows [As Js] (high card Ace)
nittany07 said, "omg"
SumKindaHate collected 3080 from pot
SumKindaHate said, "bluffing is bad"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3080 | Rake 0
Board [2c Th 8h 9c 5c]
Seat 1: SumKindaHate (big blind) showed [As Js] and won (3080) with high card Ace
Seat 4: nutsetter folded before Flop
Seat 5: edbratz66 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: ErikaW folded before Flop
Seat 7: MChat folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: m-squared (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: nittany07 (small blind) showed [Qh Kh] and lost with high card King

[Rock Lonemilk]

He knew you were weak. He knew you were weak. He knew you were weak.

[nittany07]

Originally Posted by Rock Lonemilk

He knew you were weak. He knew you were weak. He knew you were weak.

I guess

[hotkarl]

Rule 1 of poker.
Idiots get cards, just as often as everyone else.

[MNBridge]

Yes I fold on the turn bet.

'Assuming I called preflop' <--- Which I wouldn't.

[Rock Lonemilk]

You went all-in with K high during Level 1 - possibly on the 2nd hand of the tourney after only 2 minutes of play... Are you just upset that he called your bluff? Do you think his call was a worse play than your all-in bet?

Originally Posted by Rock Lonemilk

You went all-in with K high during Level 1 - possibly on the 2nd hand of the tourney after only 2 minutes of play... Are you just upset that he called your bluff? Do you think his call was a worse play than your all-in bet?

Well, it rarely is ever bad to be the aggressor. Bluffing is part of the game.

I woulda bet the flop, though. I am not sure if you were going for the check raise, but you were the favorite against a wide variety of hands, including AJ. The turn made him open ended, so he might have gone AI anyway (I assume, but who knows sometimes), but your aggression on the flop might have discouraged him from chasing on the turn.

[Y2Mozz]

Don't call the reraise preflop

:fwaps:

[nittany07]

Yes, my biggest mistake was calling the preflop reraise to get me into the trouble I got into. I'm generally tightter than that play. It was early and after two folds, I felt the odds were there to take a flop and hope to catch a big hand which could bust him.

The flop was ok but not great, I still only have a flush draw and I'm not sure which of the overs are good.

Post flop - the guy had represented a big hand with the reraise. Do I really want to bet into it and p*ss away more chips when I'm likely to get raised again and either price myself in with a bad draw or have to fold? He checks the flop???? He must have ak cause with that board WHY would you check an overpair?

Turn - well this gives me some hidden outs. This is where I should have bet in hindsight. But if he's going to call an allin checkraise, he's most likely going to call a bet here.

River - if I did bet the turn and get called on the turn, what now? Check/fold? Push?

My biggest problem I continue to face is assuming that these people have any clue as to what they are doing.

[HangerAngler]

Assuming I called preflop, which I wouldn't have, I would have bet the flop.

I don't know what hands the other guy put you on. Based on preflop play, any pocket pair except maybe AA-QQ is possible. All of those have him beat. Any Ax, x > 7 also had him beat. He would have had to put you on KQ or KJ to have any certainty...or put you on Ax, x<7, Kx, x<8, etc...all stuff that he can't count on.

His reasoning could have also gone like this...
-if nittany is bluffing with nothing, then I win
-if nittany has a hand, then my OESD gives me outs against any holding
-I've only put in a few minutes so far, so I might as well go way up or way down and start another